I reached out to Will's agent twice now asking him to get Will's team to do an hour livestream of his transcon attempt. "The team will not be doing that. We are already sharing enough data on Garmin InReach, Whoop and Strava."
Personally, I don't see no harm. I even offered to order the car or bike mount for them...
Where is the Whoop data being shared? Is it available to download and analyse in detail?
Just playing devils advocate here. Anyone know why WG doesn’t just film a 2 min video of him running at 6:30 with a HR of 95?
It would literally take 2 mins and basically end this entire debate and have him cemented as the record holder without any doubts.
That’s the only weird thing about this for me. The debate could be ended by the team with 1 video and it would look far better for WG, his sponsors etc.
Will and his crew have portrayed themselves as “too cool for school” f*ckboyz who can’t be bothered by things like this and have settled on mockery and denial as their defense. He is too caught up in his “image” as a tough guy to act rationally. In other words, this thread will go on forever with no resolution just like the transcon one. Highly entertaining at the very least!
There's no evidence that you'll change your mind either. What's the difference between me posting rubbish on here vs you posting dumb comments below all of Will's strava activity. Forgive me for your wealth of experience as a marathon runner and an IP lawyer must trump any experience that I have.
No evidence, except for the fact that Josh already has changed his mind in this debate!
Thanks for bringing back these memories. It's so long ago that I don't even remember anymore that I read this long report at the time. I was the guy who questioned Robert Young's run early on when he "ran" unsupported for a whole day in the Needles, CA area. Known to be one of the hottest spots in the US. Asher Dermott confirmed my suspicions in Kansas and the crowd funded "Geezers" put the whole story to a rest a couple weeks later.
Just playing devils advocate here. Anyone know why WG doesn’t just film a 2 min video of him running at 6:30 with a HR of 95?
It would literally take 2 mins and basically end this entire debate and have him cemented as the record holder without any doubts.
That’s the only weird thing about this for me. The debate could be ended by the team with 1 video and it would look far better for WG, his sponsors etc.
Whilst your general point is fine, 2 minutes is certainly not going to be anywhere near long enough to end the debate.
I reached out to Will's agent twice now asking him to get Will's team to do an hour livestream of his transcon attempt. "The team will not be doing that. We are already sharing enough data on Garmin InReach, Whoop and Strava."
Personally, I don't see no harm. I even offered to order the car or bike mount for them...
I don't think anything is going to make him change his mind back. He'd rather just post snarky comments on strava and IG. I'm sure if you just keep training one day you'll be 10% as good as the great Will G.
Why is additional proof being required in this case? A GPS tracker and Strava data are generally accepted as the standard for verifying these kinds of efforts. Just because some people feel the heart rate data seems lower than expected doesn’t automatically justify demanding more evidence, does it?
Let’s not pretend this is some neutral panel of truth-seekers just waiting with open arms to be convinced. From day one, the tone hasn’t been curiosity, it's always been about people needing the story to be false because they already decided it was.
100%, this "community" has had it's nose bent out of joint because an influencer is doing something that's changing their sport for the better but they don't want it to change because they want to continue existing in this "underground" type of sport and Will is bringing eyeballs to it and showing them up.
Why is additional proof being required in this case? A GPS tracker and Strava data are generally accepted as the standard for verifying these kinds of efforts. Just because some people feel the heart rate data seems lower than expected doesn’t automatically justify demanding more evidence, does it?
Let’s not pretend this is some neutral panel of truth-seekers just waiting with open arms to be convinced. From day one, the tone hasn’t been curiosity, it's always been about people needing the story to be false because they already decided it was.
Because of a history of odd-looking data accompanying (only) solo WG ventures, and a reluctance (hostility?) to being transparent. Because if something seems too good to be true then it probably is. Because the limited data being shared could be consistent with cheating, and a refusal to discuss this looks like there's something to hide. Because in the past people have falsely tried to claim records, so a bit more fact-checking is now needed.
If credible data is available, then sharing it would shut up the sceptics in an instant. If it's not, then the sceptics are correct in their suspicions that it's not a legitimate record attempt.
I don't think anything is going to make him change his mind back. He'd rather just post snarky comments on strava and IG. I'm sure if you just keep training one day you'll be 10% as good as the great Will G.
The fan boys are in their feelings on Strava. It's strange that they don't like data. It makes me wish SOTG 1, 2, 2.1 and 3 was here talking about python code and 1 second interval .gpx downloads.
I'd love for this run to be legit, the guy and his image is cool as f*ck.
Looking at his running background his only recorded achievements are 2 sub 3 hour marathons, the fastest being a 2:57 last year.
Whilst multi day ultra running and marathon best efforts aren't too comparable, you'd expect him to be running at least around the 2hr 30 mark for a marathon and be developed aerobically to be able to run 100km plus per day, each day without taking too much toll on him.
Compare that to a superior athlete in Ned Brockmann, who ran a 2hr 30 at London Marathon this year. Goodge is going to complete this run 12 days before Ned.
100%, this "community" has had it's nose bent out of joint because an influencer is doing something that's changing their sport for the better but they don't want it to change because they want to continue existing in this "underground" type of sport and Will is bringing eyeballs to it and showing them up.
Serious question - how do you think he's changing the sport for the better? If he could prove his claims (which it seems he can't - ask yourself why that is) then he'd actually be celebrated in these forums. If you don't believe that to be true, you really don't understand the running community at all...
Is everyone ignoring Patrick Malandain's 38 days and 12 hours?
It's been a bit of an oversight that nobody replied to this, and so the answer was yes.
It looks like Patrick did it a day faster than Chris, who only has the specific Perth to Sydney direction record. Patrick's run isn't on the FKT website. I don't know if he got Guinness ratification, though I don't vakue Guinness ratification.
So is Patrick Malandain the genuine Trans Australia record holder?
Yeah fair play to Ned - I wasn't a huge fan of how he marketed his track run (and his fan base is as noxious as Goodge's) but can only respect the way he buried himself in the effort. That's what brutal multi day ultra running does to a human body, and why it's so f***ing obvious that Goodge isn't actually doing it.
Also have to respect the way he flew past me a few miles before Tower Bridge a couple of Sundays ago looking annoyingly fresh!
Let’s not pretend this is some neutral panel of truth-seekers just waiting with open arms to be convinced. From day one, the tone hasn’t been curiosity, it's always been about people needing the story to be false because they already decided it was.
Of course all the critics started out neutral. None of us knew Goodge, none of us had an axe to grind, none of us cried foul without looking into the evidence and seeing that this guy was quite clearly very dodgy.
Why would people have randomly chosen to attack Goodge for cheating if we didn't have good evidence? It makes no sense to suggest that we've been out to get him from the start due to a partisan bias against him.
100%, this "community" has had it's nose bent out of joint because an influencer is doing something that's changing their sport for the better but they don't want it to change because they want to continue existing in this "underground" type of sport and Will is bringing eyeballs to it and showing them up.
Serious question - how do you think he's changing the sport for the better? If he could prove his claims (which it seems he can't - ask yourself why that is) then he'd actually be celebrated in these forums. If you don't believe that to be true, you really don't understand the running community at all...
The data doesn't really support the notion that he's bringing more "eyes" to anything. He has 230k insta followers but rarely passes the 10k "likes" threshold for a IG post about the run, so under 5%. Poor Kipchoge only reached 8k likes. A random post of him doing nothing pre AUS run draws between 10 and 5,000 likes on any given day. This is all to see I just don't see much impact here, positive or negative.
I'd love for this run to be legit, the guy and his image is cool as f*ck.
Looking at his running background his only recorded achievements are 2 sub 3 hour marathons, the fastest being a 2:57 last year.
Whilst multi day ultra running and marathon best efforts aren't too comparable, you'd expect him to be running at least around the 2hr 30 mark for a marathon and be developed aerobically to be able to run 100km plus per day, each day without taking too much toll on him.
Compare that to a superior athlete in Ned Brockmann, who ran a 2hr 30 at London Marathon this year. Goodge is going to complete this run 12 days before Ned.
Nah, sorry. I haven't ran close to 2.30 for a marathon and I can easily run 100k a day. But the distances I've logged in training are astronomically larger than what Goodge does.
Yeah fair play to Ned - I wasn't a huge fan of how he marketed his track run (and his fan base is as noxious as Goodge's) but can only respect the way he buried himself in the effort. That's what brutal multi day ultra running does to a human body, and why it's so f***ing obvious that Goodge isn't actually doing it.
Also have to respect the way he flew past me a few miles before Tower Bridge a couple of Sundays ago looking annoyingly fresh!
Brockmann is a good example of what can be achievd with full time training. At the time os his TransAus he was as mediocre as Goodge, and that run was a load of hot air over nothing special.
He has clearly trained hard since and his 1000 mile run was a very high calibre even if it was nowhere near the Kouros world record he claimed he would annihilate.
2.30 for the marathon is brilliant for an amatuer, but how good is it for someone who's been training like a full time pro for a while? I'm genuinely not sure, but it is a huge improvement from where he was.