Stretching credibility. wrote:
And you can accidently unintentionally jay walk or disobey a traffic sign,
And you usually learn from your mistakes, Meza didn't, got DQ'ed twice that we know of and just carried on lol.
Stretching credibility. wrote:
And you can accidently unintentionally jay walk or disobey a traffic sign,
And you usually learn from your mistakes, Meza didn't, got DQ'ed twice that we know of and just carried on lol.
You already made this exact argument many pages back. You just copied and pasted this one. At least put a little effort into your "defense" of FM and change your words up a little.
Wasn't very happy with the varying volume levels between clips, fixed that this evening, new version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL2a-7KUfMo
Please share!
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Bluto wrote:
Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?
The Germans????
Bluto wrote:
Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?
No, it wasn't. Why? Because they had an accomplice. Japan.
So find the accomplice and you''ll uncover the regrettable act itself.
Enuf already wrote:
Is this Tri guru guy nuts?
If he improves triathlons like he does his videos, maybe not!
This one is much better!
video guru wrote:
This one is much better!
Agreed, maybe remove the question mark in the title though.
A) I'm guessing "keg boy" is now in college ... so he may have only recently returned and not yet had the chance. What's more....
B) XC runners usually take a few weeks off after track season; this is true of Loyola HS too. They don't start training again in earnest or with their team till later in the summer. So assuming keg boy was planning on doing a little training -- or even a little social visiting -- with his former coaches and teammates in order to inquire about who knew what and when, we shouldn't expect to hear any feedback till mid-July (at the earliest, I reckon).
PATIENCE. He hasn't forgotten.
(Note: from what I gather, most of the LHS runners past and present are still in the dark about the whole scandal).
triathleteguru wrote:
Smoove wrote:
What if the guy is a chronic jaywalker or if he makes a right on red late at night at a deserted intersection where this is prohibited - does he deserve to lose his medical license over these things because they are technically a violation of a law?
Doesn't go to being duplicitous, you say? What if the guy didn't report some income from winning a March Madness office pool on his tax return? What if he were having an extramarital affair?
Jaywalking and disobeying a traffic sign is a far stretch from cheating in a marathon for a national/world record! There are certain things that society allows, lines that have been grayed and are allowed to be crossed without repercussion.
However, Frank has been dishonestly stealing AG glory from fellow competitors, self promoting through his stolen running accomplishments, and blatantly violating rules of competition to do these things. It would appear this behavior goes back at least a decade but possibly further.
Would I care much if gramps John Doe cut a course and finished in 5 hours instead of 6 hours? Not much, but feel he should be at least DQ'd. However, Frank has established a pattern of egregious duplicitous behavior. If you are a sneaky, duplicitous, cheating, lying doctor in your running and you've tied your running life closely to your professional life, than the behavior in one might bleed into the other. Do you think he can turn off his doctor morals on marathon day, but turn them back on at work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd2gOjjlvis
Jay walking and traffic violations have real world implications.
FM’s transgressions? Not so much.
Jay Walker wrote:
triathleteguru wrote:
Jaywalking and disobeying a traffic sign is a far stretch from cheating in a marathon for a national/world record! There are certain things that society allows, lines that have been grayed and are allowed to be crossed without repercussion.
However, Frank has been dishonestly stealing AG glory from fellow competitors, self promoting through his stolen running accomplishments, and blatantly violating rules of competition to do these things. It would appear this behavior goes back at least a decade but possibly further.
Would I care much if gramps John Doe cut a course and finished in 5 hours instead of 6 hours? Not much, but feel he should be at least DQ'd. However, Frank has established a pattern of egregious duplicitous behavior. If you are a sneaky, duplicitous, cheating, lying doctor in your running and you've tied your running life closely to your professional life, than the behavior in one might bleed into the other. Do you think he can turn off his doctor morals on marathon day, but turn them back on at work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd2gOjjlvisJay walking and traffic violations have real world implications.
FM’s transgressions? Not so much.
Establishing a new record by deceiving lazy race officials, is not victimless.
Highly-respected lauded icons are being defrauded - those who have achieved success through the hard miles deserve the laurels.
Laurels should not the languish on the head of a shady predatorial muppet who can barely run in a straight line.
Be advised wrote:
Jay Walker wrote:
Jay walking and traffic violations have real world implications.
FM’s transgressions? Not so much.
Establishing a new record by deceiving lazy race officials, is not victimless.
Highly-respected lauded icons are being defrauded - those who have achieved success through the hard miles deserve the laurels.
Laurels should not the languish on the head of a shady predatorial muppet who can barely run in a straight line.
You are WAY overthinking this.
Jay Walker wrote:
You are WAY overthinking this.
Says the troll/sockpuppet trying to disrupt the thread.
Be advised wrote:
Establishing a new record by deceiving lazy race officials, is not victimless.
Highly-respected lauded icons are being defrauded - those who have achieved success through the hard miles deserve the laurels.
Laurels should not the languish on the head of a shady predatorial muppet who can barely run in a straight line.
I 100% agree.
The guy should be DQd.
The guy should be banned from future races.
The guy should have articles written about him if journalists are so inclined.
The guy shouldn’t be allowed to coach kids.
The guy’s name should pop up in Google searches and link to this thread and Derek’s article.
That addresses the stolen laurels. That punishment fits the crime (and then some, probably).
Contacting employers and state licensing boards feels qualitatively different.
Everyone jumped on the jaywalking idea. That was intentionally benign to highlight how far things can be taken. What about the intentional omission of some forms of income from your taxes - race money or NCAA tournament pool winnings? Does that not show dishonesty? Does that not have an indirect impact on others? Should those who have omitted that income suffer the consequences of being dishonest by having their employers contacted and having licensing authorities notified?
Repugnant behavior needs to be addressed. But I’m just trying to keep things in perspective. We all fall short of perfection. To quote the great William Munny, “We all got it coming.” I have never cheated in a race, but I’ve been an a-hole in various ways over time. I’ve tended to find I’ve received proportionate karmic retribution over time.
video guru wrote:
This one's not any better!
FIFY
Still pretty terrible.
His employers should be contacted for the same reason: his age & poor judgment should be disqualifying.
Thank you Smoove for some sanity.
Smoove wrote:
Be advised wrote:
Establishing a new record by deceiving lazy race officials, is not victimless.
Highly-respected lauded icons are being defrauded - those who have achieved success through the hard miles deserve the laurels.
Laurels should not the languish on the head of a shady predatorial muppet who can barely run in a straight line.
I 100% agree.
The guy should be DQd.
The guy should be banned from future races.
The guy should have articles written about him if journalists are so inclined.
The guy shouldn’t be allowed to coach kids.
The guy’s name should pop up in Google searches and link to this thread and Derek’s article.
That addresses the stolen laurels. That punishment fits the crime (and then some, probably).
Contacting employers and state licensing boards feels qualitatively different.
Everyone jumped on the jaywalking idea. That was intentionally benign to highlight how far things can be taken. What about the intentional omission of some forms of income from your taxes - race money or NCAA tournament pool winnings? Does that not show dishonesty? Does that not have an indirect impact on others? Should those who have omitted that income suffer the consequences of being dishonest by having their employers contacted and having licensing authorities notified?
Repugnant behavior needs to be addressed. But I’m just trying to keep things in perspective. We all fall short of perfection. To quote the great William Munny, “We all got it coming.” I have never cheated in a race, but I’ve been an a-hole in various ways over time. I’ve tended to find I’ve received proportionate karmic retribution over time.
You make some fair points. and I'm glad to see you agree on those first 5 lines.
Question for you though, why are you in any way concerned if someone does reach out to his employer Kaiser Permanente, the California Medical Board, or the American Medical Association? Does someone filing a complaint trigger an automatic dismissal? Do you not think they have the ability to make up their own minds on this?
BTW, your other example of intentional omission of some forms of income is very similar to the jaywalking. Yes, technically all forms of income should be reported, but as a society it is accepted that some isn't. But when it reaches a certain level, the IRS/govt will become very interested.
Smoove wrote:
Be advised wrote:
Establishing a new record by deceiving lazy race officials, is not victimless.
Highly-respected lauded icons are being defrauded - those who have achieved success through the hard miles deserve the laurels.
Laurels should not the languish on the head of a shady predatorial muppet who can barely run in a straight line.
I 100% agree.
The guy should be DQd.
The guy should be banned from future races.
The guy should have articles written about him if journalists are so inclined.
The guy shouldn’t be allowed to coach kids.
The guy’s name should pop up in Google searches and link to this thread and Derek’s article.
That addresses the stolen laurels. That punishment fits the crime (and then some, probably).
Contacting employers and state licensing boards feels qualitatively different. .
Remember, this isn't someone who in the heat of the moment cut a marathon course once. This is someone who over the period of a decade or more meticulously cheated! It would seem an elaborate scheme to gradually "improve" to begin setting World AG records. He was DQ'd twice that we know of and banned from a marathon, yet carried right on with his cheating.