I see they scraped CNU off his resume with a stick.
I see they scraped CNU off his resume with a stick.
UCLA? Don’t think they’re hiring.
Fastboyzzzzzz wrote:
UCLA? Don’t think they’re hiring.
Yes. For Danny’s job. Hurdles/jumps?
You’re right. Forgot about that one
how do you know? Can you confirm??
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1. Network....talk to as many college coaches as you can. Go visit them in your downtime to shadow for a day, and see what office work and recruiting is like.
2. Find a way to prove you can recruit.....college is about recruiting first, coaching somewhere after that.
3. Be able to sacrifice.....if you can't volunteer then you might be out of luck.
College coaching isn't about who is the best coach. There are coaches that can improve athletes at every level. The best coaches know that the most naturally talented athletes make coaches look the best.....it ain't about coaching. It is about attracting that talent to the school you work for. So high school coaches looking to coach in college are at a disadvantage because recruiting is THE thing, and you just aren't gaining recruiting experience while teaching HS physics and coaching on the side.
To get in, you need to find a way to prove your worth. That usually means working for free or part time and then doing all of the crap jobs around the office, and FINDING A WAY to learn and help in recruiting. Be the guy that gets the contact information on the most talented kids and give it to the coach for that event area.....then ask in return, to be copied on any emails or to sit in on some recruiting calls to see how it is done. Then be valued added when the kid and family visits campus. Drive the van, rake the long jump pit, set up the cones, be thankful to take splits for the slow group.
And don't expect to see the same results with the same coaching methods from HS to college:
#1. It is college, kids live on their own, make different choices about eating, sleeping, socializing, and how important the sport is. So when HS coaches say "college coaches can't develop kids like I did,"it isn't always the coach.
#2. HS kids are often a blank slate, and with the vast majority of those with limited talent, the ceiling can be nearly reached in 4 years......there just might not be much left for the college coach to do......then add in #1 and one quickly finds that HS and college "coaching success" are apples and oranges.
As a successful high school/age group coach who has long thought he could out coach college coaches if given the opportunity, yet never hears back from any of them after sending in his application, I appreciate your post. It helps to understand why my arguments are unpersuasive to everyone (except me.)
I heard that. He ran out of socks.
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1. Network....talk to as many college coaches as you can. Go visit them in your downtime to shadow for a day, and see what office work and recruiting is like.
2. Find a way to prove you can recruit.....college is about recruiting first, coaching somewhere after that.
3. Be able to sacrifice.....if you can't volunteer then you might be out of luck.
College coaching isn't about who is the best coach. There are coaches that can improve athletes at every level. The best coaches know that the most naturally talented athletes make coaches look the best.....it ain't about coaching. It is about attracting that talent to the school you work for. So high school coaches looking to coach in college are at a disadvantage because recruiting is THE thing, and you just aren't gaining recruiting experience while teaching HS physics and coaching on the side.
To get in, you need to find a way to prove your worth. That usually means working for free or part time and then doing all of the crap jobs around the office, and FINDING A WAY to learn and help in recruiting. Be the guy that gets the contact information on the most talented kids and give it to the coach for that event area.....then ask in return, to be copied on any emails or to sit in on some recruiting calls to see how it is done. Then be valued added when the kid and family visits campus. Drive the van, rake the long jump pit, set up the cones, be thankful to take splits for the slow group.
And don't expect to see the same results with the same coaching methods from HS to college:
#1. It is college, kids live on their own, make different choices about eating, sleeping, socializing, and how important the sport is. So when HS coaches say "college coaches can't develop kids like I did,"it isn't always the coach.
#2. HS kids are often a blank slate, and with the vast majority of those with limited talent, the ceiling can be nearly reached in 4 years......there just might not be much left for the college coach to do......then add in #1 and one quickly finds that HS and college "coaching success" are apples and oranges.
This is an outstanding post. Dead on.
Would only add that the training it takes to get a kid “good” between the ages of 14-17 is rarely the same training (and never as difficult to achieve) as that which will help them continue to improve between 18-22.
I’ve coached at both levels, and the idea that getting college kids to improve is harder is what college coaches like to tell themselves, but isn’t universally true (sometimes but certainly not always).
While it’s tough dealing with the changes in eating/sleeping/studying etc that come with a move to college, high school coaches work with athletes typically less focused, less committed, and with less time for coaching.
Depending on the situation and kid, either can be more difficult
Untruth wrote:
I’ve coached at both levels, and the idea that getting college kids to improve is harder is what college coaches like to tell themselves, but isn’t universally true (sometimes but certainly not always).
While it’s tough dealing with the changes in eating/sleeping/studying etc that come with a move to college, high school coaches work with athletes typically less focused, less committed, and with less time for coaching.
Depending on the situation and kid, either can be more difficult
Except that between 14-17 you’re getting increased height, increased muscle mass, and other advantages from natural growth process (not requiring any training at all) that yiu don’t get between 17-22.
So yes, in general it is easier to help a kid improve in HS as opposed to college.
On the mark wrote:
Untruth wrote:
I’ve coached at both levels, and the idea that getting college kids to improve is harder is what college coaches like to tell themselves, but isn’t universally true (sometimes but certainly not always).
While it’s tough dealing with the changes in eating/sleeping/studying etc that come with a move to college, high school coaches work with athletes typically less focused, less committed, and with less time for coaching.
Depending on the situation and kid, either can be more difficult
Except that between 14-17 you’re getting increased height, increased muscle mass, and other advantages from natural growth process (not requiring any training at all) that yiu don’t get between 17-22.
So yes, in general it is easier to help a kid improve in HS as opposed to college.
Yes for boys, with girls it’s a different scenario. We all know that’s why in many many cases girls run well in 9th-10th grade then struggle 11th-12th grade and actually run slower.
Let’s get back to jobs please.. where are all the Ax’ed D1 Coaches going?
All myne wrote:
Let’s get back to jobs please.. where are all the Ax’ed D1 Coaches going?
You heard it here first that they’re all going to Stanford. They’re going to create their own super team. Stanford has the funds and has promised them all housing free of charge in exchange for providing one lecture during the year. To earn income, each will be provided with a polo and be told to stand on the golf course and clap as a permanent gallery for the course. They will rotate days which they’re officially listed as assistant coaches and allowed to coach to fall within NCAA guidelines. For a year. Then they will break off and form their own independent super power conference of one, and each of the coaches will then be allowed to start their own team within the conference, where all athletes get free medical care from all the Medical students at Stanford for life.
Iowa State just posted for a multi's coach with a salary range of $30k-$40k.
Good luck
And in college you have access to weight rooms and an indoor track. Many HS have minimal weight set ups and train in the gym when weather is bad.
All myne wrote:
Let’s get back to jobs please.. where are all the Ax’ed D1 Coaches going?
Who was axed?
Ehh wrote:
And in college you have access to weight rooms and an indoor track. Many HS have minimal weight set ups and train in the gym when weather is bad.
Who cares about weight rooms? Runners are made on the roads, not in a weight room.
No, Amy Gosztyla did.
Not sure why I laughed so much at that but thanks.
As a coach struggling to find a college coaching position in my area, I would agree with those that have said it's not about what you know but who you know. Degrees, ability, knowledge, non-college coaching experience mean almost nothing. Who's your friends? What college have you hung out at and pretended to coach? Were you an elite athlete? Those are the things that matter.
I am tired of this stupid conversation. It is who you know, what you have done, it is some luck. It is so many things and different to each position. These whiners on here deserve nothing. How freaking pathetic. Shake hands, talk to people. If you happen to get a position then make the most of it.
I did that crap for years. I heard no so many times. Actually, I didn't hear no because no one ever answered. I volunteered at a place that did not get me recognition so I kept shaking hands and meeting people. I made a lot of sacrifices both with time and money that I didn't really have. I finally got a big break and made the most of a job I didn't deserve but that was after getting nothing for many years. At that point you better prove you are good or politically adept.
Deal with it you whiny little babies. Go get the job and quit complaining. Its competitive because all of you dumb dicks think you can coach.