ALBERTO SALAZAR BANNED FROM ATHLETICS FOR FOUR YEARS FOR DOPING VIOLATIONS

Exactly. Who cares. It's what allows for all these great things we see being done in the sport. Baseball, t&f, and other Olympic sports, are the only sports I know that are willing to hurt their product because of the witch hunt over steroids.

It's idiotic but what's worse is no one really cares. Just make it legal and stop reporting on what these athletes are taking.

At least t&f were smart enough not to mess with their cash cow and savior in Bolt and to a lesser extent other top athletes.

T&f would be MUCH better off if it would just drop the steroid crusade.

Do you think the NFL wants to go back to 230 pound lineman and white runningbacks? Lol. No. They love seeing 275 pound freaks running 4.4 and having 40" verticals lol.

Wow!

I saw this about ten minutes ago.

This is huge. The cascading effect will now follow.

The dominoes will surely tumble.

Wow!

Well the thing you don't understand the difference between is that you also are cheater just like Salazar. The difference is that you just believe you are not. But essentially you have used performance enhancing substances your entire life.

Coffee (caffeine), NSAIDs (ibuprofen) and finally supplements and even meat (creatine, carnitine) are all heavyweight PEDs. They are just on the green side since used widely by general population

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Big Baller wrote:

This is nuts. Confirms what everyone has been saying for years. Hopefully Brazier Murphy and Engels aren't involved but this seems to be before they joined the group

If you're a clean athlete you would never have associated with a guy like Salazar in the past few years or you or very stupid. Everyone in the know or even on the fringe of the elite schene now or when Salazar was at his peak as an athlete knew things were going on. Maybe 5 years ago someone a little naive could say the things that surrounded Alberto were just that. But in the past few years, there has been so many red flags they were impossible to ignore.

A couple years back (I don't remember the exact time-line anymore, though I'm sure some people on this thread do), when all the stuff this report refers to (the L-carn infusions with Ritz, the mailing drugs to Rupp inside a book, the testing testo-cream on his kid, etc., etc) first got reported, I saw Jordan H post a statement on Twitter. As I remember it was basically some boiler-plate crap along the lines of "I believe in clean sport, I've never seen Alberto break any rules, etc., etc."

I sent her a reply saying something like, "Jordan, you're a great talent and you seem like a great person, and you've got a great career in front of you. Do you really want to taint all that by associating yourself with this guy?

You don't need him. Think hard about it."

I wonder how she feels about that tonight.

Can’t sleep. Literally shaking because I am so mad about what happened to Alberto. Salazar is an American hero. If you don’t like Salazar you don’t like America.

Thank you. A sensible voice.

qw wrote:

I don't support cheaters. It's just I don't see anything to blame Salazar for comparing to rest of the world's stage. WADA has become joke into listing general usage food supplements as banned substances and ensuring national agencies distribute four year bans to everyone.

It's the same story as for climate and nature preservation. While Western world is restricted to use even plastic bags, the entire Asia is dumping billions of metric tons of plastic waste literally right into rivers and oceans daily.

Where's the fair play if parties play by different rules? You really think grounding Salazar will prevent someone in Russia or Africa not to take EPO? Clearly if they see you get same 4 year ban.

You can make the argument that Western countries should allow the 'pushing of the envelope' in order to compete with rampant cheaters in East Africa and Morocco, but Al Sal has clearly been giving his test patches and vitamin x injections to East African transplants such as Hassan and Mo, and even athletes representing East Africa such as Kejelcha. In addition, those athletes, unlike Rupp and non-East African Americans, can then spend months training in East Africa, very at home in the culture with networks and contacts who can easily provide them with everything 'they need'. (I made a thread about this yesterday that was deleted by the mods).

Then guys like Wejo, the owner of this site, calls people stupid for doubting the genetic supremacy of East Africans on the basis of the likes of Mo and Hassan.

If a coach is found guilty of doping violations, EVERY ONE of his athletes should immediately also be given suspensions and their records and medals scrubbed.

Curiouser wrote:

fortherecord wrote:

Klosterhalfen has always been coached by Pete Julian

Does she have TUE's?

They have been saying for the last several years that just about every athlete at NOP is coached by him. My gut feeling is that's just a cover to get the heat off.

It genuinely annoys me that this wasn't taken more seriously from the get-go. That athlete's didn't work on leaving the group. I have to give credit to centro now for at least moving away from the group, although i wish he was a little more honest about all of it.

Jordan is going to have some explaining to do. I'd be curious about what Galen Rupp says/does. Maybe he'll just retire.

LoneStarXC wrote:

FINALLY! Sleazy Sal gets what he deserves! NOP lovers go home DEVASTATED!

I remember a few post where that average runner ridiculed you for your post being critical of Salazar/NOP. Has he apologized for such remarks?

I always thought it was weird too that Galen was so radio silent. We never heard from him. No social media, very very little press. He could be really famous and prominent but he's not.

This proves Americans don’t cheat. Americans would dominate distance running if not for dirty coaches in other countries. I am outraged that Salazar is being punished. He should get a statue for his self-restraint. He was totally justified. All American times are legit, minor cheating at most.

Tkrowiendddl wrote:

I've always found the way that Galen was coddled and protected for his entire career to be cringeworthy. The whole stupid story of him being discovered on a soccer field, and of him being 'special' and a diamond in the rough was always embellished. I do feel bad that he was suckered in and influenced by Salazar as a teenager, but he could have departed at any time as an adult.

What also saddens me is Jordan. Jordan could have left NOP. She had four years to do it. She seems like a great person and a hard working athlete, but she sacrificed her integrity to stay with NOP, and also defended Salazar in the process. It will always be a mystery to my as to why she chose to do that.

Yep. I wrote her on Twitter a couple years back, after much of tonight's report was first alleged, to say almost exactly what you just said.

Told her she didn't need him, and should get away while the getting's good.

Too bad she didn't listen.

My gut feeling is that Mr t rex is sage alt account.

This...This is the one wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Everyone at the top in every sport worth a darn dopes. Accept it. Move on. Enjoy the fireworks show.

Alan

This should be the top post for time immemorial. It is always been this way, and it shall remain so.

No, actually it's the *dumbest* post on the entire thread. It's the most morally and intellectually lazy take you could possibly adopt.

It's a good position for you if you're an *idiot*.

Surprised Nike couldn't buy the results. Undoubtedly they tried.

sp2 wrote:

This...This is the one wrote:

This should be the top post for time immemorial. It is always been this way, and it shall remain so.

No, actually it's the *dumbest* post on the entire thread. It's the most morally and intellectually lazy take you could possibly adopt.

It's a good position for you if you're an *idiot*.

Yep and/or a argument that a former doper would make to justify one's unjust actions.

Nope. Testosterone was one of the substances injected into NOP athletes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/sports/nike-oregon-project-alberto-salazar-dathan-ritzenhein.html

From what I've read in the decision, the case for the L-carnitine infusions is not what I would call bulletproof. IThe only clear case where it was clearly over the limit was Steve Magness. USADA spends pages arguing/discussing if Magness was an "athlete" under USATF standards which, as far as a real doping violation goes, I could care less about. Magness was not an elite competitive athlete at the time.

USADA standards then place the burden of proof on Salazar to prove he administered under 50 ml (the maximum allowed infusion). I'm not clearing Salazar, but there is zero proof any of the real NOP athletes got over 50 ml, and in fact there are emails differentiating what could be done with Magness versus the competitive athletes, and inquiries by Salazar to USADA what the limits were.

I'll have to read the testosterone stuff later, but the L-carnitine section of the decision, while not unbelievable, is also far from a smoking gun of anything with the exception of the Magness infusion.