World's fastest man Christian Coleman faces potential whereabouts failure ban for 3 missed drug tests

Bad Wigins wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Then according to your perception and argument, He is automatically guilty. So no need to have an adjudication whatsoever.

He's not disputing missing three tests. He's not disputing being "guilty," only trying to argue that the rules shouldn't apply to him.

And don't try to sneak terms like "guilty" and "adjudication" like the rules of a sport are a courtroom where the rights of accused citizens apply. This isn't a matter of criminal law, or any kind of law, just the internal rules of a private organization.

In a sport, referees and officials enforce the rules, period.

What? You guys really need to read search.

When WADA rulings are appealed, they go through an adjudication process , court of arbitration.

So those words do apply.

It’s about a court of law, regardless of what kind

Good lord.

That’s all you got. After all that’s been said? Let’s focus on WADA. Let’s point to a cyclist that they allow to compete that’s taking a substance that’s not even banned.

Nice deflection. .

Oh yeah....by the way...how many drugs tests did Frome miss again?

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

That’s all you got. After all that’s been said? Let’s focus on WADA. Let’s point to a cyclist that they allow to compete that’s taking a substance that’s not even banned.

Nice deflection. .

Oh yeah....by the way...how many drugs tests did Frome miss again?

No.

Wada banned 2 riders who had less of the same substance that Frome had in his system. There are permitted guide lines. That is the point. They made an EXCEPTION for Frome due to him having the money and the legal representation that the other riders didn't have. So WADA screwed them, and WADA didn't reverse their ruling on the riders after they made the ruling on Frome.....straight fraud.

So your so called theory of WADA not making exceptions for athletes because they would have to make exceptions for all other athletes just got thrown out the window. That's what you said.

And this is worse than Frome missing a drug test. It's more like he FAILED one due to what amount is permitted! And he got off, which is why the cycling work went ballistic about.

You keep moving the goalpost on all of your arguments.

Christian Coleman was on his way to get tested, not avoiding it, didn't fail a test or over use a legal substance. So hopefully he has some outstanding legal representation, similar to frome, so that he is not banned.

There are too many inconsistencies with WADA, from their testers, to substance limitations, etc. It appears that the rich or richer athletes are able to get off because they can afford legal reps to really get at WADA.

If you want other examples of WADA's bullcrap, then let me know.

I haven’t moved my goal post one inch.

Again...please copy and paste the part of Jon Drummond’s BS story where CC actually showed up and was denied the test.

We will wait....

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Cool. Then according to your perception and argument, He is automatically guilty. So no need to have an adjudication whatsoever. No matter what argument is given, he is going to be perceived as guilty no matter how it is explained or argued.

I said nothing of the sort. May I suggest you read my points again?

Also, does it not bother you that Coleman appears to hang out at a training facility with banned drug cheat coach Drummond - who has his documented tests? Is Drummond coaching or advising or managing Coleman? The ban is still ongoing!

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Enjoy Gatlin on podium as the proud american that you are.

Gatlin on the podium, a likely outcome either way, yes, very unfortunate. But remember, Coleman and Gatlin are buddies, as apparently are Coleman and Drummond according to your link. So sad...

oh...and while you’re trying to find that part of the story...let’s hear his excuse for the other two missed tests. Not one peep about why he missed those which indicates he had zero valid reason.

Waiting...

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Christian Coleman was on his way to get tested

Again, this is not clear at all. But even if you are right with your interpretation of banned doper Drummond's claim, Coleman will have to beg for leniency. A better way would be to somehow blame the tester or a third party, such as a hotel receptionist screwing up, or the tester leaving after 45 minutes instead of after 60 minutes.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

There are too many inconsistencies with WADA, from their testers, to substance limitations, etc. It appears that the rich or richer athletes are able to get off because they can afford legal reps to really get at WADA.

Yes. And Coleman is part of that rich group, so he has hope.

casual obsever wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Christian Coleman was on his way to get tested

Again, this is not clear at all. But even if you are right with your interpretation of banned doper Drummond's claim, Coleman will have to beg for leniency. A better way would be to somehow blame the tester or a third party, such as a hotel receptionist screwing up, or the tester leaving after 45 minutes instead of after 60 minutes.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

There are too many inconsistencies with WADA, from their testers, to substance limitations, etc. It appears that the rich or richer athletes are able to get off because they can afford legal reps to really get at WADA.

Yes. And Coleman is part of that rich group, so he has hope.

Yes. All of this.

C’mon man...we’re waiting to hear about what all went down that day when banned drug cheat Jon Drummond just-so-happened to have CC’s drug testing receipt handy in that 30-minute window. Oh, and how CC then showed up only a few minutes late? And the other two missed tests?

Something stinks and it’s not the fish of the day.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

This is your first time ever hearing of a track athlete missing three drug tests?

There are many many thousands of athletes in the WADA whereabouts pool who somehow figure it out each year.

There is literally an App that you can use to update your whereabouts if your plans change. Bought a plane ticket for 2 days from now during your whereabouts window? No problem, just open the app and change that window to a different time or different location, or both. They will go anywhere you are.

You dont need to make it convenient to them, make it where you plan to be anyway. Going on vacation to a remote mountain village? No problem! Set it there! Going to be on a cruise ship for a week in the Caribbean? Not a problem! They'll literally get permission from the cruise line to meet you on the boat. Going to training camp in Flagstaff? Routine for them. They'll fly internationally, drive hours from the nearest airport, take a boat if they have to.

This is why the majority of athletes just make it 4am at home as their default. Then they only change it for when they travel. Then they just set it to wherever they plan to sleep each night for 4am.

The app even will automatically populate changes if you upload your itinerary, you just need to review and accept them.

It isnt hard! Like others have said, nobody wants to catch an athlete cheating, they're trying to keep them from cheating in the first place.

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

I haven’t moved my goal post one inch.

Again...please copy and paste the part of Jon Drummond’s BS story where CC actually showed up and was denied the test.

We will wait....

He clearly stated that CC showed up past the allotted time and the tester marked it as a missed test.

Re-read it again.

casual obsever wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Cool. Then according to your perception and argument, He is automatically guilty. So no need to have an adjudication whatsoever. No matter what argument is given, he is going to be perceived as guilty no matter how it is explained or argued.

I said nothing of the sort. May I suggest you read my points again?

Also, does it not bother you that Coleman appears to hang out at a training facility with banned drug cheat coach Drummond - who has his documented tests? Is Drummond coaching or advising or managing Coleman? The ban is still ongoing!

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Enjoy Gatlin on podium as the proud american that you are.

Gatlin on the podium, a likely outcome either way, yes, very unfortunate. But remember, Coleman and Gatlin are buddies, as apparently are Coleman and Drummond according to your link. So sad...

what?

but you guys support NOP and Salazar and every athlete that runs at that facility, even though other athletes have come out about NOP cheating: Goucher and Dathan.

Do you feel that way about Farah, Centro, Kejelcha, hassan, rowbury, hasay, Rupp, Koko,..... Plus, being the coach of Mary Decker, who tested positive?

SMH, Inequality is not cool.

Drummond it did not say how much later than 30 minutes he showed up. Was the tester still there? Was he one minute late? Was he 30 minutes late? For all we know, he showed back up an hour or two hours later.

Again, how big could the facility possibly been that the worlds fastest man can’t run back over to the track in 30 minutes to take the test? The whole story is bull##it

And this is letsrun brother. Not sure where you see all the support for AlSal on here? But to your point, last I checked Salazar is not banned from anything. Jon Drummond, however, is banned for eight years and he happens to be at the practice and just so happens to be holding Christian’s latest drug test receipt? Come on man.

And again, the arbitrators are going to want to know why he missed the other two drug test because it all plays into the same issue. Why even be in a position where you have the third missed test?

This is everyday. They have to provide a 1 hour window of their whereabouts between the time of 5am-11pm for an entire 12 months. And sometimes the testers don't show up at the time they are supposed to show up, and come outside of that window. And there have even been situations where the tester tried to test another athlete because he was in the same place as the testing athlete, even though the athlete had a different 1 hour window!

And you mean to tell me there isn't going to be a couple of hiccups with a 1 hour window in a year? Like traffic, sickness, being late,etc. come on. It's random.

These athletes are top athletes, dealing with training, endorsements, competition, family, promotions, etc. That one hour window sounds easy, but it's not.

Dude. We know. And yet, somehow, thousands of athletes all over the world in different sports are able to figure it out without missing three in a year. Clearly, some of the people posting are either elite athletes or coaches of elite athletes that were in the program.

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

BraveyNation brought to you by Champion wrote:

Kinda wish Kevin Barbaro had some athletes to go sext, I mean athletes to coach right now.

That’s the best you got? Please. It must be absolutely exhausting search button five or six times a day searching for my last name.

Irony!

Perhaps that’s why you aren’t sanctioned until the third missed test.

Not quite irony. Close. Hey...Tell you what, how about making it into a nice poem or limerick for me?? Thanks.

We can see that half the thread believes that the rules shouldn't apply to those who are too stupid to abide by them. And then there's another bunch that thinks the rules are unfair because no one abides by them. So it is established then, that running is low on intelligence and principle.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

When WADA rulings are appealed, they go through an adjudication process , court of arbitration.

Where the "defendant" is not presumed innocent, and the only connection to actual law is that the sporting federation signed a civil contract agreeing to it. This is not a legal case, it's an argument about rules in a game.