Sad News: Frank Meza Found Dead In LA River

kmaclam wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Ernest, if you hadn’t cut out the majority of my post, maybe you would understand.

And if you had read more than 1/20th of the thread before pontificating, maybe you would understand. Sorry to say, you're way off base here Geezer.

I didn’t say that he didn’t cheat. I am unlikely to look into it enough to form an opinion. From my perspective those photos have no context, and I’m not interested in finding it.

My opinion on the cheating issue, were I to have one, wouldn’t be important anyway. You’re barking up the wrong tree.

Now armchair psychologists/psychiatrists are posthumously diagnosing him as mentally ill?

Ridiculous.

The pure speculation here is rampant. Does anybody here know everything that was going on in Meza’s life? It is all too easy to jump to the conclusion that these running-related events were the sole motivation for his apparent suicide.

Did he leave any explanation of his motivations and thinking?

This is serious stuff, much more serious than cheating at running. It should not be treated lightly, but with much consideration, not the usual fodder for an internet board.

I don't understand the circumstances that would ultimately cause someone to cheat, and I hope ill founded results continue to get zealously scrubbed. I also hope an outcome like the situation at bar does not happen again.

Dr. Meza accomplished a lot and made a difference in an underserved population of LA. That stuff will have a significant and lasting impact, moreso than any running result ever could.

How can one be sure that Frank's only motivation for suicide was this uncovering of his cheating. It might be , or it might, not even be the biggest one, or it could be the only one , with mental illness complication. None of us here knows. Some of the things being said about him or Loyola could have frightened him or otherwise contributed.

Now my post will be moderated out.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I didn’t say that he didn’t cheat. I am unlikely to look into it enough to form an opinion. From my perspective those photos have no context, and I’m not interested in finding it.

Without understanding the evidence, what you have to say on the matter is worthless.

deadesq wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I read only the early part of the LR thread, and nothing else. The only thing I know is that at that point his reputation seemed to have been damaged, and that he had, apparently done nothing about it in the thread.

I still have no idea if he cheated or not.

Well, I wonder if the photos I just saw on the "I'm Done" thread, when coupled with the bike photo from MI, might change your mind. Relinking here.

https://gameface-upload-testing.s3.amazonaws.com/the-san-francisco-marathon-%28m%29/340-SFOMarathon/Race%202/14-340-393-08992.JPGhttps://gameface-upload-testing.s3.amazonaws.com/the-san-francisco-marathon-%28m%29/340-SFOMarathon/Race%202/14-340-393-08995.JPG

Wow. Amazing nobody had found those photos earlier. If he weren't dead they would be comical.

His wife can keep denying he cheated, but clearly his son knows the truth. (Certainly now. I have no clue whether he always knew.)

Chunk Norris wrote:

I think that the Frank on Bike photo sealed the deal for Frank. He knew he could no longer deny it and couldn't live with the shame he was facing.

Ah-ha!! Everybody, let's go after the guy who found the bike photo! He's responsible for all of this!

I mean, that's the MO here, right? Sheesh.

Deadesq,

I suspect Sprintgeezer is really the same troll as Took Me A While.

Nobody can really be that obtuse, right? Right?

derek is a dbag wrote:

Derek: "be respectful and keep his loved ones in mind."

Also Derek: "I need to catch this 70 year old guy for cheating in a marathon and ruin his life."

Also Derek: if you would like to explain or come clean, just let me know. I've already contacted you with all of my contact information to make it easy.

Also Derek: would you like to share your GPS data from any race so we can clear you?

Also Derek: why do you have your friends threatening me with lawyers, and then they won't return my calls either?

Smb wrote:

Deadesq,

I suspect Sprintgeezer is really the same troll as Took Me A While.

Nobody can really be that obtuse, right? Right?

No, I am not Took Me A While, nor have I read his/her posts.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I didn’t say that he didn’t cheat. I am unlikely to look into it enough to form an opinion. From my perspective those photos have no context, and I’m not interested in finding it.

Without understanding the evidence, what you have to say on the matter is worthless.

Which is precisely why I have said nothing on the matter.

I suggest you go elsewhere if you’re looking for a fight.

IP Freely ---- "Dr. Meza accomplished a lot and made a difference in an underserved population of LA. That stuff will have a significant and lasting impact, moreso than any running result ever could"

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Okay, Mr. Freeely, if this actually is true, then why did he jump off a bridge when the WR cheating was exposed? He should have scoffed it off and said " this is just a tiny, minuscule thing -- petty at best." But he didn't -- because he knew that cheaters cheat -- not just at running, but at taxes, and on their wife, and in other aspects of their life. All I have is my character and word at the end of the day. And if we are such as fragile, watered-down society, where lying is okay, and the truth doesn't matter -- well then, we are totally screwed. I hate liars. I hate cheaters. I do not lie. I do not cheat. I don't have to jump off bridges. The cyber-bullying BS is after the fact. FM was a grown-ass man, playing in the grown up world. All these apologist are so pretentious, and sycophants to FM's iconic persona. How can a man be mentally ill, and still work as a doctor? He was freaking mentally stable. He got caught and wimped out. History is littered with these actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEMQKs_v6II

Sprintgeezer wrote:

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Which is precisely why I have said nothing on the matter.

I suggest you go elsewhere if you’re looking for a fight.

Why do you keep posting if you are not interested in the facts?

Just curious from the lawyers that peruse this thread:

Does the family have any solid grounds to pursue a wrongful death lawsuit based on the "cyber-bullying" that some allege to have occurred on the Lets Run Message Board and/or Marathon Investigation site?

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Which is precisely why I have said nothing on the matter.

I suggest you go elsewhere if you’re looking for a fight.

So why are you posting in this thread at all?

Runner21367 wrote:

Just curious from the lawyers that peruse this thread:

Does the family have any solid grounds to pursue a wrongful death lawsuit based on the "cyber-bullying" that some allege to have occurred on the Lets Run Message Board and/or Marathon Investigation site?

Not a lawyer but nobody has tried to specifically make this case despite my trying to get them to explain what this would entail. The so-called bullying was simply examination of his marathon splits and photos and the inevitable conclusions any unbiased observer would make. A few people suggested doing stupid things and were told to stop being idiots.

I am Sam wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

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Which is precisely why I have said nothing on the matter.

I suggest you go elsewhere if you’re looking for a fight.

Why do you keep posting if you are not interested in the facts?

I posted because speculation and opinion concerning both his mental fitness and the motivation for his apparent suicide, seem to be mistaken for fact in this thread. I am interested in a reasonable discussion of the facts of his passing (of which there appear to be precious few), not in the facts of his alleged cheating.

derek is a dbag wrote:

Derek: "be respectful and keep his loved ones in mind."

Also Derek: "I need to catch this 70 year old guy for cheating in a marathon and ruin his life."

It is my opinion that if RDs would make a tiny bit more effort to handle these things correctly on the front end, we wouldn't have to have a LetsRun &MarathonInvestigation free for all trolling forums to police the entire amateur hobbyjogger running times world scene which is how it is now

Look at the RDs for Lehigh VIA marathon -near proof of a DQ and won't do it. But Boston still accepts times from their race and many other races run by incompetent people.

If you steal something from a store, you're (sometimes) arrested for shoplifting or, if not, at least told to not to do it again or come back to the store again. If you run onto the field during a professional sports competition and disrupt/delay the game, you're arrested and hauled off the field (happens at football games and baseball games).

But if you steal a time in a road race, as long as you're not elite, pretty much you get away with it and nothing happens. Some think because it's a bunch of amateurs paying their way into a road "race" to receive times as a benefit to you as an individual racer, it's all bs sh*ts and grins games and amounts to nothing more than maybe having fun and playing tricks in a fathers league charity softball game or charity bowling day. Props to CIM for having good race fraud detection. CIM seems to take no crap when it comes to trying to cheat the system.

Not condoning any teasing/bullying and to do only what is necessary for a DQ (with minimal shame and only in the interest of fair competition for all) but it's perhaps tempting for some sleuths when you have someone with a high morals in society standing by what amounts to a bogus time (or in this case world record age group time) when cheating the system and won't admit to it to crack a joke or two here and there when you finally crack the cheater's code (I didn't read or participate in the Meza thread but started to look through it and on roughly page 250 of the Frank Meza thread it looks like that broke it open). On the one hand I feel very shocked and saddened by what happened, but when surfing the web and coming across that youTube video with the Frankie song in the background it was a little hard for a few secs to keep a straight face.

I didn't know Frank, but I think even if he sinned in this one small area of his life, it's my hope he's remembered for trying to do the right things and be a good person in many areas of his life. People make mistakes. We all need to be respected and loved and I hope Frank gets that.

Are we supposed to be pretending that you are NOT Roderick Powell?