Americans on this forum are insane. If it was an athlete from another country DQ'd for the same thing, you'd be supporting the DQ.
Also, Farken's opinion on the issue is entirely irrelevant.
Maybe Hocker should learn better positioning.
Yeah, American here, it is so obviously a DQ. He tried to forge a path where there was none. The German was definitely impeded and went totally backwards; he had good momentum until Cole shoved his way in front of him.
What utter unpatriotic BS! I don’t give an eff who jostled who! It’s effing racing! I want to see the fastest runners, not ones who can make their arms the widest so they can get “fouled.”
Whoever the world champion in the 1500 will be will come with a massive asterisk. Ingebrigtsen injured and Hocker BS DQ’d. We all know Hocker would have won.
I’m probably salty because I wanted all the US runners to do well, but between Hocker’s stupid “coming through!” strategy, Fisher’s stupid “I never know when to strike” strategy, Blanks’ stupid “I’m just here to make up the numbers” strategy, Rook’s stupid “treading water at the back of the pack” strategy, Strand’s stupid “let me leave my kick way too late” strategy, and Clayton Young’s stupid “let me fall over and then hang with the leaders without actually ever bothering to make a move” strategy, I’m just left thinking that the entire US team deserve what they got.
I’m giving Dan Michalski a pass because what he did was worth a shot and what he did actually influenced how the race was eventually won by Beamish.
Looking forward to more stupid US track race strategies for the rest of the championship. /s
I feel bad for Cole Hocker because the "perfect storm" occurred to foil his strategy. Two guys take the lead with 400m to go, then BOTH slow down in the final 100m but don't swing to lane 2.
OOPS!
" perfect storm"??
Hocker 100% did this to himself. Absolutely atrocious tactics.
1. He starts in the back for a bit. Perfectly ok [ stay out of trouble, pace yourself early and don't waste any energy jostling for position, draft of others].
But then.... he immediately sprints on the turn in lane two or three to the lead. More or less defeating the purpose of his early strategy. [ if you're going to go out easy in the back, stay there for a little bit. There's no point in rushing into the lead. Immediately after your easy start ]
2. So now he's basically leading the whole race. Letting others draft off him, but sure, he's staying out of trouble still. But then at the bell When you want to control the race from the front and not get boxed in a la mo farah or centro or El G, he lets two scrubs pass him and others go beside him. So now he is fully boxed in. The leaders are not even running very fast. So he has nowhere to go.
So he's forced to do that ridiculous move.
Start at the back out of trouble chilling. make one decisive move at about 900- 1000 m to head towards the front, and then lead the entire final lap.
He pretty much did the opposite.
The control from the front is a proven strategy if you execute it. Kipyegon executed it to perfection in her semi. Went to the front early and accelerated just enough when someone looked like they wanted to lead to keep them in check. Then gradually cranked up the pace. Of couse, she has much more margin for error than Hocker.
But Hocker needed to decide on one strategy from the beginning and stick with it. Either lead and make sure no one passes. Or stay back, but within striking distance and rely on your kick by staying to the outside.
I’m probably salty because I wanted all the US runners to do well, but between Hocker’s stupid “coming through!” strategy, Fisher’s stupid “I never know when to strike” strategy, Blanks’ stupid “I’m just here to make up the numbers” strategy, Rook’s stupid “treading water at the back of the pack” strategy, Strand’s stupid “let me leave my kick way too late” strategy, and Clayton Young’s stupid “let me fall over and then hang with the leaders without actually ever bothering to make a move” strategy, I’m just left thinking that the entire US team deserve what they got.
I’m giving Dan Michalski a pass because what he did was worth a shot and what he did actually influenced how the race was eventually won by Beamish.
Looking forward to more stupid US track race strategies for the rest of the championship. /s
things couldn't be much worse compared to a year ago in Paris, and bad strategy has certainly contributed! Think Hocker will ever hug the rail again in the last turn. Didn't that burn Fisher and cost him a medal in the 5k a few years back. don't these guys learn!!
Whoever the world champion in the 1500 will be will come with a massive asterisk. Ingebrigtsen injured and Hocker BS DQ’d. We all know Hocker would have won.
He certainly would not have won if he ran in the final with the tactics he's been using lately.
Even in that 5000 US champs, where he pulled off the miraculous victory, again, what is the point of leading the entire race when you then let everyone pass you at the bell and start the last lap twelve meters down from the leaders in a slowish race?
Let's face it - It's now clear that he's gotten by on incredible talent, finishing speed and some luck. Which yes is a combination which will win lots of races. But if you run tactically stupid, even that combo won't be enough to pull off the win many times.
[ And let me add that in the past, he was running smarter than lately. His semi conservative start in last year's super fast olympic race was perfect for him]
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In soccer, referees can potentially ruin a high profile game when they send someone off and the teams are no longer equal (10 v 11). It ruins the game for everyone watching as it’s no longer a fair/exciting game. That’s exactly what has happened in this event. By removing one of the favorites, they have denied us the opportunity of seeing the best runners in the world from competing against one another. Now it’s just Kerr v Laros. There’s the letter of the law and there’s the spirit of the law. The powers that be applied the letter of the law and overlooked the spirit of the law.
Americans on this forum are insane. If it was an athlete from another country DQ'd for the same thing, you'd be supporting the DQ.
Also, Farken's opinion on the issue is entirely irrelevant.
Maybe Hocker should learn better positioning.
Of course Americans don't think Hocker should have been DQed. But as an objective assessment of the decision it means nothing beyond a demonstration of their national fervour and their bias.
Of course Americans don't think Hocker should have been DQed. But as an objective assessment of the decision it means nothing beyond a demonstration of their national fervour and their bias.
Everyone knows you hate Americans. So your opinion means nothing.
Americans on this forum are insane. If it was an athlete from another country DQ'd for the same thing, you'd be supporting the DQ.
Also, Farken's opinion on the issue is entirely irrelevant.
Maybe Hocker should learn better positioning.
Of course Americans don't think Hocker should have been DQed. But as an objective assessment of the decision it means nothing beyond a demonstration of their national fervour and their bias.
Americans all run cross country in the fall and don’t see this as any significant level of contact. You can truck stick people in cross country and there is no DQ. It’s just racing. Fastest man to the finish by any means necessary. If Farken was fading so badly that he couldn’t give Hocker a sharp elbow to the ribs as he tried to squeeze by, then he doesn’t deserve to move on. I hope he finishes DFL and the catches chlamydia.
Laros had a harder elbow on Strand that sent him back. Why wasn't Laros disqualified?
As a recent casual turned serious track fan, this is what makes it so confusing. Michalski was shoved a few times in the last lap too. And Grant Fisher was fully impeded and it cost him the win in the 3K Diamond League Final.
I thought this could be a DQ as soon as it happened, but I was still surprised it actually happened and wasn’t overturned when Farken said it didn’t impact him and considering the others were all ignored.
I understand refs and judges make mistakes, and I agree rules need to be enforced. But this rule seems to be enforced with little consistency across the board.
Laros had a harder elbow on Strand that sent him back. Why wasn't Laros disqualified?
As a recent casual turned serious track fan, this is what makes it so confusing. Michalski was shoved a few times in the last lap too. And Grant Fisher was fully impeded and it cost him the win in the 3K Diamond League Final.
I thought this could be a DQ as soon as it happened, but I was still surprised it actually happened and wasn’t overturned when Farken said it didn’t impact him and considering the others were all ignored.
I understand refs and judges make mistakes, and I agree rules need to be enforced. But this rule seems to be enforced with little consistency across the board.
If Sonia O’Sullivan can barge her way around the track like an ogre playing pinball every single race without a DQ, then this should very much not be a DQ.