Oh poopsie got their feelings hurt. Well the quote above is 100% false as my other post explained. But don't believe me. Look back at the posts.
Enjoying this thread.
No one has a strategy to not get the Olympic standards. Touhy tried to get world standard last year in CA, but only ran 15:03. If Hurta/Magee joined 5k field they'd seek the standard too, as their world points in 1500 are worthless in 5k.
The historical sit and kick races at Usatf often didn't make sense as long shots and runners without the standard just never were willing to lead and go for it. Heat was a factor, but mostly fear of rabbiting and failing.
Fortunately Monson actually likes an honest pace (and was helping Norris) and Valby really has no choice but to run from the front, so good chance 2024 Usatf is somewhat quick.
Touhy isn't running 1500s and 3000s as part of some conspiracy. Her 8:35 will come off the WA books anyway prior to trials, so she'll either need to do it again, or get the 5k standard. She ran the 3000 last year simply for an NCAA indoor qualifier, and she runs 1500s for fun and to work on speed for 5k. All the athletes know that 3000s count in the 5000 world rankings, so if they want to do that, they are free to go for it.
Touhy's contract value vs Wiley or Valby at this point is all about her hs and college performance over time. As long as she simply remains relevant as a pro, the linkage to the past is useful for a brand.
Valby still limited due to being new on the scene, but the cross training and photofriendliness sure help. With her Nike nil, it also just may be her call when she moves to the true pro route.
Wiley is currently held down by the ties to scandal and perhaps her own decision. She already has Olympic standard in 800 and 1500 and currently has the best chance of the 3 to make Paris.
Monson is different as her 'rabbiting' a US field means she finishes 2nd at worst, on a truly bad day 3rd, but still makes the team. Tuohy (or Valley) is nowhere near fit enough to run away from the entire field
like I said they know the rules, although I'm not sure how likely it is for Hurta-Klecker and McGee to have the standing to qualify without the standard. But if they do, smart by them, and dumb by those with standard, but not able to match the kick.
Only Monson and Cranny have the standard. Plenty of time for Hurta and McGee to get it.
Just signed today will continue to train with NC State but will head off for some Flagstaff altitude stints
Does this mean she will start running internationally? I just dont understand the american system - she will become 22 years old this year yet have not participated in any international event. Why wait until you are 22 to get some experience and proper matchups?
Does this mean she will start running internationally? I just dont understand the american system - she will become 22 years old this year yet have not participated in any international event. Why wait until you are 22 to get some experience and proper matchups?
It’s how the “American system” is in most sports. It’s because of collegiate athletics. In a lot of sports in other parts of the world, the club system is emphasized. This is really apparent in soccer where the best men’s players from other parts of the world, particularly European players, don’t play collegiate sports at all. The rest of the world is ahead of the US men in soccer and they’re gaining on the women.
Does this mean she will start running internationally? I just dont understand the american system - she will become 22 years old this year yet have not participated in any international event. Why wait until you are 22 to get some experience and proper matchups?
It’s how the “American system” is in most sports. It’s because of collegiate athletics. In a lot of sports in other parts of the world, the club system is emphasized. This is really apparent in soccer where the best men’s players from other parts of the world, particularly European players, don’t play collegiate sports at all. The rest of the world is ahead of the US men in soccer and they’re gaining on the women.
I don't get why the athletes go along with it, but I guess there might be so much to gain in being the best in collegiate athletics that they are content with it?
It’s how the “American system” is in most sports. It’s because of collegiate athletics. In a lot of sports in other parts of the world, the club system is emphasized. This is really apparent in soccer where the best men’s players from other parts of the world, particularly European players, don’t play collegiate sports at all. The rest of the world is ahead of the US men in soccer and they’re gaining on the women.
I don't get why the athletes go along with it, but I guess there might be so much to gain in being the best in collegiate athletics that they are content with it?
If you are a 15:20ish F 5000 m runner you are near the top in NCAA, and can greatly help a team be near the top in XC. Free college education. As a pro? Lingering in the back of races.
I don't get why the athletes go along with it, but I guess there might be so much to gain in being the best in collegiate athletics that they are content with it?
If you are a 15:20ish F 5000 m runner you are near the top in NCAA, and can greatly help a team be near the top in XC. Free college education. As a pro? Lingering in the back of races.
But at some point you are getting too old to compete in NCAA. Arguably at that point you would benefit greatly from having experience under your belt? Isn't doing everything for getting a great olympic or WC result worth the shot? (Evidently not). I get how a free education might be worth more for 90% but I thought the best would see the benefit of competing internationally, at least for say 20 years old.
If you are a 15:20ish F 5000 m runner you are near the top in NCAA, and can greatly help a team be near the top in XC. Free college education. As a pro? Lingering in the back of races.
But at some point you are getting too old to compete in NCAA. Arguably at that point you would benefit greatly from having experience under your belt? Isn't doing everything for getting a great olympic or WC result worth the shot? (Evidently not). I get how a free education might be worth more for 90% but I thought the best would see the benefit of competing internationally, at least for say 20 years old.
Ha ha see Conner Mantz or Morgan Beadlescomb threads.
Seriously is there a benefit to competing in International U23 races vs NCAA races and occasional US meets? They can't really compete in the open races.
Smart move, dodging Valby Lemngole Olemomoi Asekole Ramsden and Markezich to avoid further defeats by then. Need to cash in on what’s left of her brand before the offers drop further.
LOL Dodging Valby, Ramsden and other Collegians, by going Pro where she will be going against people MUCH BETTER than them like Kipyegon, Hassan, Gidey etc. It is not ducking when instead of racing who they say your ducking, you go up against people a lot better than them.
It was a smart move and yes, she was dodging them for a reason.
Look at it from a historical perspective for a second: Abraham Lincoln wanted to issue the Emancipation Proclamation in the summer of '62 but his Cabinet dissuaded him from doing so. Why? Because at the time, the Union was losing the war and Lee was rolling all over Virginia at will. Issuing the EP at that time would look like a desperate move and an admission that the Union was losing; "the last gasp of a dying man." So, he waited until the victory at Antietam and then issued it from a position of power and victory.
If Tuohy would have gone pro after the indoor season last year, she would have done so from a position of power. But she didn't and was subsequently crushed by numerous collegiate runners at NCAA Outdoors. Five months later, she gets beaten by even more collegiate runners and is destroyed by Valby by over 25 seconds.
I'm sure at that point her agent saw the writing on the wall and knew that if she ran indoors and outdoors and continued to get defeated by more and more collegiate athletes, her value would continue to plummet. Her already weak position after the debacles at Outdoors '23 and XC '23 would only grow weaker.
Between '22 ACC Indoors (Feb 2022) and the '23 NCAA East Regional (May 2023) - a period of 15 months - Tuohy raced 28 individual races. She won 19 of them. Sixteen people beat her during this time: 12 professionals and only four collegiates.
Rodenfels (Professional) Monson (Professional) - twice Morgan (Professional) - twice Klosterhoffen (Professional) Piccarillo (Professional) O'Feefe (Professional) Andrews (Professional) Brea (Professional) Infeld (Professional) Henes (Professional) Galvan (Professional) Courtney-Bryant (Professional) Roe (Collegiate) Wayment (Collegiate) Bush (Collegiate - I think Tuohy let her win) Tyynismaa (Collegiate)
Since NCAA Outdoors (June 2023), she has raced seven times. She has won only twice. Seventeen people beat her during this time: six professionals and eleven collegiates (three did it twice).
Her value was dropping like an anchor and her agent knew it was time to sign or her offers would only get worse.
Both Valby (NIL) and Wiley signed from a position of power - after having huge seasons. I can assure you that Adidas paid Wiley much more than they paid Tuohy. The only thing Tuohy has going for her is a cult-like following since her junior high days that gives her a lot of Instagram followers. But ultimately, it comes down to what an athlete produces on the track.
If she doesn't do something great soon, her first contract will probably be the largest she will ever be offered. What has Adidas gotten from her so far? It's been seven weeks since she signed and she hasn't been seen yet. Adidas signed Wiley and she will be on the track four days later. Money well spent.
LOL Dodging Valby, Ramsden and other Collegians, by going Pro where she will be going against people MUCH BETTER than them like Kipyegon, Hassan, Gidey etc. It is not ducking when instead of racing who they say your ducking, you go up against people a lot better than them.
It was a smart move and yes, she was dodging them for a reason.
Look at it from a historical perspective for a second: Abraham Lincoln wanted to issue the Emancipation Proclamation in the summer of '62 but his Cabinet dissuaded him from doing so. Why? Because at the time, the Union was losing the war and Lee was rolling all over Virginia at will. Issuing the EP at that time would look like a desperate move and an admission that the Union was losing; "the last gasp of a dying man." So, he waited until the victory at Antietam and then issued it from a position of power and victory.
If Tuohy would have gone pro after the indoor season last year, she would have done so from a position of power. But she didn't and was subsequently crushed by numerous collegiate runners at NCAA Outdoors. Five months later, she gets beaten by even more collegiate runners and is destroyed by Valby by over 25 seconds.
I'm sure at that point her agent saw the writing on the wall and knew that if she ran indoors and outdoors and continued to get defeated by more and more collegiate athletes, her value would continue to plummet. Her already weak position after the debacles at Outdoors '23 and XC '23 would only grow weaker.
Between '22 ACC Indoors (Feb 2022) and the '23 NCAA East Regional (May 2023) - a period of 15 months - Tuohy raced 28 individual races. She won 19 of them. Sixteen people beat her during this time: 12 professionals and only four collegiates.
Rodenfels (Professional) Monson (Professional) - twice Morgan (Professional) - twice Klosterhoffen (Professional) Piccarillo (Professional) O'Feefe (Professional) Andrews (Professional) Brea (Professional) Infeld (Professional) Henes (Professional) Galvan (Professional) Courtney-Bryant (Professional) Roe (Collegiate) Wayment (Collegiate) Bush (Collegiate - I think Tuohy let her win) Tyynismaa (Collegiate)
Since NCAA Outdoors (June 2023), she has raced seven times. She has won only twice. Seventeen people beat her during this time: six professionals and eleven collegiates (three did it twice).
Her value was dropping like an anchor and her agent knew it was time to sign or her offers would only get worse.
Both Valby (NIL) and Wiley signed from a position of power - after having huge seasons. I can assure you that Adidas paid Wiley much more than they paid Tuohy. The only thing Tuohy has going for her is a cult-like following since her junior high days that gives her a lot of Instagram followers. But ultimately, it comes down to what an athlete produces on the track.
If she doesn't do something great soon, her first contract will probably be the largest she will ever be offered. What has Adidas gotten from her so far? It's been seven weeks since she signed and she hasn't been seen yet. Adidas signed Wiley and she will be on the track four days later. Money well spent.
Lol none of this is based on truth other than who she beat. It's so weird you people put so much thought into these three girls. Maybe try therapy?
LOL Dodging Valby, Ramsden and other Collegians, by going Pro where she will be going against people MUCH BETTER than them like Kipyegon, Hassan, Gidey etc. It is not ducking when instead of racing who they say your ducking, you go up against people a lot better than them.
It was a smart move and yes, she was dodging them for a reason.
Look at it from a historical perspective for a second: Abraham Lincoln wanted to issue the Emancipation Proclamation in the summer of '62 but his Cabinet dissuaded him from doing so. Why? Because at the time, the Union was losing the war and Lee was rolling all over Virginia at will. Issuing the EP at that time would look like a desperate move and an admission that the Union was losing; "the last gasp of a dying man." So, he waited until the victory at Antietam and then issued it from a position of power and victory.
If Tuohy would have gone pro after the indoor season last year, she would have done so from a position of power. But she didn't and was subsequently crushed by numerous collegiate runners at NCAA Outdoors. Five months later, she gets beaten by even more collegiate runners and is destroyed by Valby by over 25 seconds.
I'm sure at that point her agent saw the writing on the wall and knew that if she ran indoors and outdoors and continued to get defeated by more and more collegiate athletes, her value would continue to plummet. Her already weak position after the debacles at Outdoors '23 and XC '23 would only grow weaker.
Between '22 ACC Indoors (Feb 2022) and the '23 NCAA East Regional (May 2023) - a period of 15 months - Tuohy raced 28 individual races. She won 19 of them. Sixteen people beat her during this time: 12 professionals and only four collegiates.
Rodenfels (Professional) Monson (Professional) - twice Morgan (Professional) - twice Klosterhoffen (Professional) Piccarillo (Professional) O'Feefe (Professional) Andrews (Professional) Brea (Professional) Infeld (Professional) Henes (Professional) Galvan (Professional) Courtney-Bryant (Professional) Roe (Collegiate) Wayment (Collegiate) Bush (Collegiate - I think Tuohy let her win) Tyynismaa (Collegiate)
Since NCAA Outdoors (June 2023), she has raced seven times. She has won only twice. Seventeen people beat her during this time: six professionals and eleven collegiates (three did it twice).
Her value was dropping like an anchor and her agent knew it was time to sign or her offers would only get worse.
Both Valby (NIL) and Wiley signed from a position of power - after having huge seasons. I can assure you that Adidas paid Wiley much more than they paid Tuohy. The only thing Tuohy has going for her is a cult-like following since her junior high days that gives her a lot of Instagram followers. But ultimately, it comes down to what an athlete produces on the track.
If she doesn't do something great soon, her first contract will probably be the largest she will ever be offered. What has Adidas gotten from her so far? It's been seven weeks since she signed and she hasn't been seen yet. Adidas signed Wiley and she will be on the track four days later. Money well spent.
and yet her agent said it was one of the largest he had seen.......
LOL Dodging Valby, Ramsden and other Collegians, by going Pro where she will be going against people MUCH BETTER than them like Kipyegon, Hassan, Gidey etc. It is not ducking when instead of racing who they say your ducking, you go up against people a lot better than them.
It was a smart move and yes, she was dodging them for a reason.
Look at it from a historical perspective for a second: Abraham Lincoln wanted to issue the Emancipation Proclamation in the summer of '62 but his Cabinet dissuaded him from doing so. Why? Because at the time, the Union was losing the war and Lee was rolling all over Virginia at will. Issuing the EP at that time would look like a desperate move and an admission that the Union was losing; "the last gasp of a dying man." So, he waited until the victory at Antietam and then issued it from a position of power and victory.
If Tuohy would have gone pro after the indoor season last year, she would have done so from a position of power. But she didn't and was subsequently crushed by numerous collegiate runners at NCAA Outdoors. Five months later, she gets beaten by even more collegiate runners and is destroyed by Valby by over 25 seconds.
I'm sure at that point her agent saw the writing on the wall and knew that if she ran indoors and outdoors and continued to get defeated by more and more collegiate athletes, her value would continue to plummet. Her already weak position after the debacles at Outdoors '23 and XC '23 would only grow weaker.
Between '22 ACC Indoors (Feb 2022) and the '23 NCAA East Regional (May 2023) - a period of 15 months - Tuohy raced 28 individual races. She won 19 of them. Sixteen people beat her during this time: 12 professionals and only four collegiates.
Rodenfels (Professional) Monson (Professional) - twice Morgan (Professional) - twice Klosterhoffen (Professional) Piccarillo (Professional) O'Feefe (Professional) Andrews (Professional) Brea (Professional) Infeld (Professional) Henes (Professional) Galvan (Professional) Courtney-Bryant (Professional) Roe (Collegiate) Wayment (Collegiate) Bush (Collegiate - I think Tuohy let her win) Tyynismaa (Collegiate)
Since NCAA Outdoors (June 2023), she has raced seven times. She has won only twice. Seventeen people beat her during this time: six professionals and eleven collegiates (three did it twice).
Her value was dropping like an anchor and her agent knew it was time to sign or her offers would only get worse.
Both Valby (NIL) and Wiley signed from a position of power - after having huge seasons. I can assure you that Adidas paid Wiley much more than they paid Tuohy. The only thing Tuohy has going for her is a cult-like following since her junior high days that gives her a lot of Instagram followers. But ultimately, it comes down to what an athlete produces on the track.
If she doesn't do something great soon, her first contract will probably be the largest she will ever be offered. What has Adidas gotten from her so far? It's been seven weeks since she signed and she hasn't been seen yet. Adidas signed Wiley and she will be on the track four days later. Money well spent.
You put a lot of time into this, junior. 👏
Imagine if you put time into something that was, let's say, USEFUL?