Based off 12 men's performances, I have calculated an average ratio of 2.74 for a road marathon to road/track 100km effort, obviously YMMV, the ratios ranged from 2.41 to 2.94.
Jim's was 2.73, though his only marathon was on a very hilly course.
Based off 12 men's performances, I have calculated an average ratio of 2.74 for a road marathon to road/track 100km effort, obviously YMMV, the ratios ranged from 2.41 to 2.94.
Jim's was 2.73, though his only marathon was on a very hilly course.
RunCzar wrote:
Missed this, what happed at 30km? How much time?
Jim stopped off to use the restroom for about 40 seconds. He was in the lead group clocking off 18:20-18:30 5k splits. The 5k split that contained the restroom break was a bit over and then the next split was 17:50 when he was catching back up to the pack. Definitely cost him the record, but it’s part of it.
GBohannon wrote:
RunCzar wrote:
Missed this, what happed at 30km? How much time?
Jim stopped off to use the restroom for about 40 seconds. He was in the lead group clocking off 18:20-18:30 5k splits. The 5k split that contained the restroom break was a bit over and then the next split was 17:50 when he was catching back up to the pack. Definitely cost him the record, but it’s part of it.
*a bit over 19
Ahh I see, he just should of urinated himself while running.
This race just cements Big Jim's legend even more. Easily a better run than what Kazami did. Kouros is the only runner that deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Big Jim Walmsley.
He's the best sportsperson in the world right now, great effort Big Jim and enjoy your pizza tonight!
OG Coconino Cowboy wrote:
This race just cements Big Jim's legend even more. Easily a better run than what Kazami did. Kouros is the only runner that deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Big Jim Walmsley.
He's the best sportsperson in the world right now, great effort Big Jim and enjoy your pizza tonight!
Let's face it. Jim just caught up with an performance from an English men in 1978.
And please never mention Jimmy in the same sentence with the Greek legend again.
If you haven't won Spartathlon you are not really an ultra performer.
TMADDDHASFNE wrote:
Second place men's finisher, was bonked at the end, didn't know where to stop.
Was that Pannu's first ultra? He was within 50 seconds of Max King's old US record so still pretty good. Walmsley is just at a completely different level from everyone else in the US right now.
OG Coconino Cowboy wrote:
This race just cements Big Jim's legend even more. Easily a better run than what Kazami did. Kouros is the only runner that deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Big Jim Walmsley.
He's the best sportsperson in the world right now, great effort Big Jim and enjoy your pizza tonight!
Come down, he missed the record set by a japanese hobby jogger (aka citizen runner) today. Seriously nothing to brag about
Former newspaper guy wrote:
Jim just caught up with an performance from an English men in 1978.
Anyone who thinks Don Ritchie was English doesn't know much about this subject.
There seems to be some controversy on Kazami's time and the Lake Saroma course. Is it true that his time was wind-aided?
walmsley- 6:09;26
wayfool wrote:
There seems to be some controversy on Kazami's time and the Lake Saroma course. Is it true that his time was wind-aided?
I'm not aware of controversy regarding Kazami's performance in particular. There's just a general stance by some people (like Ken Young) who consider the Lake Saroma course to be some kind of kind of cheating paradise because - while it's perfectly legal according to World Athletics rules - to their taste start and finish are too much apart resulting in possible wind influence. This topic mostly comes up when discussing Tomoe Abe's WR of 6:33, I'm sure you will also find posts on this board about it. Personally I think this "problem" is overrated a lot, because basically the only outstanding performance on this course is Abe's WR, even the male winner didn't do anything outstanding the year she won. The reason she was that good probably is that she was a world class marathoner (2:25 PB) who also happened to train extremly high mileage like it was common in her country. And Kazami probably got a lot of help by his Vaporflys, tbf Walmsley's performance indeed might be considered better by some margin solely due to the fact that the Hoka Carbon X2 still is a worse shoe than a 2018 Vaporfly (even though that's not something anyone at a hoka marketing event will admit of course).
RunCzar wrote:
Ahh I see, he just should of urinated himself while running.
Should of? Niiiice....
DRster wrote:
Former newspaper guy wrote:
Jim just caught up with an performance from an English men in 1978.
Anyone who thinks Don Ritchie was English doesn't know much about this subject.
Alright, Jim just caught up with an performance from an Scotsman in 1978.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/obituary-don-ritchie-mbe-athlete-ultra-distance-runner-and-record-holder-gb-internationalist-1428222getreall wrote:
wayfool wrote:
There seems to be some controversy on Kazami's time and the Lake Saroma course. Is it true that his time was wind-aided?
I'm not aware of controversy regarding Kazami's performance in particular. There's just a general stance by some people (like Ken Young) who consider the Lake Saroma course to be some kind of kind of cheating paradise because - while it's perfectly legal according to World Athletics rules - to their taste start and finish are too much apart resulting in possible wind influence. This topic mostly comes up when discussing Tomoe Abe's WR of 6:33, I'm sure you will also find posts on this board about it. Personally I think this "problem" is overrated a lot, because basically the only outstanding performance on this course is Abe's WR, even the male winner didn't do anything outstanding the year she won. The reason she was that good probably is that she was a world class marathoner (2:25 PB) who also happened to train extremly high mileage like it was common in her country. And Kazami probably got a lot of help by his Vaporflys, tbf Walmsley's performance indeed might be considered better by some margin solely due to the fact that the Hoka Carbon X2 still is a worse shoe than a 2018 Vaporfly (even though that's not something anyone at a hoka marketing event will admit of course).
Tomoe Abe's record had a lot of controversy because the IAU changed the rules after the fact. That course has a too big of a separation of the start and finish, so it was a non record eligible course before the Japanese complaint and got it changed.
Former newspaper guy wrote:
Tomoe Abe's record had a lot of controversy because the IAU changed the rules after the fact. That course has a too big of a separation of the start and finish, so it was a non record eligible course before the Japanese complaint and got it changed.
Wrong, it was not a case of "changed" but of "newly introduced" when the IAAF decided to officially recognize road world records around 2003. The newly introduced and still standing rule was that a start/finish seperation of 50% is allowed, while the likes of Ken Young insisted it should have been 30%. Maybe the IAU had their own world best criteria before, but since the introduction of world records the rules always remained the same.
I’m confused.
Ritchie ran 6:30 on the roads. Miles behind Walmsley.
nzkenbg wrote:
I’m confused.
Ritchie ran 6:30 on the roads. Miles behind Walmsley.
Don Ritchie ran 6:10:20 on track in 1978.
https://statistik.d-u-v.org/getresultevent.php?event=13931Ritchie ran 6:18 on road/forest trail in Finland in 1978.
Probably bracketed this with a marathon race the weekend before and after, as was his wont. As well as turning out regularly to race road and cross country for his club. It's safe to say he would probably have improved some of his marks if he had raced less and concentrated on target races. His running biog is worth a read, though hurts to see the litany of self inflicted injury and illness.
TMADDDHASFNE wrote:
Good barf shot.
My wife, who has puked during and immediately after races before, said that
distance running is the only sport where puking is regularly part of the competition.
With the exception of triathlons (where puking sometimes occurs during the run...) I can't think of any other sport with so much puking.