Democrats are evil!!!
Democrats are NOT Christians!!!
Democrats are evil!!!
Democrats are NOT Christians!!!
Calamity Joe wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Could you imagine what’s on or was in this guy’s iPhone? 🍆💦💦👧🏻But hunter’s laptop! LOLz
https://www.alternet.org/2021/04/matt-gaetz-2651347112/What is it with your obsession with Gaetz? I thought I clicked on the Joe Biden thread yet here you are totally consumed with the guy. There IS a Matt Gaetz thread. Take your screwballish obsession with him and post there - which I am pretty sure you have done 100s of times. Some insightful conservative like Ghost of Disco will post something truly thought-provoking and here you follow up babbling some nonsense about Gaetz. Give it a rest ... at least on the JOE BIDEN thread.
Wow you are really triggered by this child rapist. Sorry you feel for him this much. Maybe you should find new heroes. 😂🎻
well boys, I've been reading analyses of the GA voting bill and I think we need to back off criticizing it so roundly.
The most dangerous part of it is that partisan party people will theoretically have the right to overturn election results they don't like. And I have zero doubt that trumpists will dream up some reason to do so and argue it should be done.
But the other elements of it are not that bad and I think non-Trumpists over-reacted. The new rules just aren't out of line and it's not clear if they will help or hurt trumpists.
That said, it'sprobably not a bad thing that an enormous ruckus was tossed at GA after this - it might give some cover for Trumpists in other states to back off attempted voter suppression in their own red states. Getting this kind of bad publicity is not ideal.
Bottom line is that people take voting seriously. If they want to vote they will follow the rules and vote. This kind of GA-style rule making likely won't affect turnout.
What does affect turnout is 1) importance of the office being voted for and 2) length of lines.
Dems should focus fire on reducing length of voting lines.
Beyond embarrassing. Please watch.
7 day average of American deaths down to 833 and dropping steadily
lowest since Oct 28ish
Over the 2020 summer lull we were down in the 720ish range.
Up to averaging 3.1 million shots per day.
I'm old enough to remember when 2 million per day sounded like a lot.
The world as a whole continues to burn during a big surge, but the 7 day average of deaths seems to have topped out for now and is falling back a bit.
agip wrote:
well boys, I've been reading analyses of the GA voting bill and I think we need to back off criticizing it so roundly.
The most dangerous part of it is that partisan party people will theoretically have the right to overturn election results they don't like. And I have zero doubt that trumpists will dream up some reason to do so and argue it should be done.
But the other elements of it are not that bad and I think non-Trumpists over-reacted. The new rules just aren't out of line and it's not clear if they will help or hurt trumpists.
That said, it'sprobably not a bad thing that an enormous ruckus was tossed at GA after this - it might give some cover for Trumpists in other states to back off attempted voter suppression in their own red states. Getting this kind of bad publicity is not ideal.
Bottom line is that people take voting seriously. If they want to vote they will follow the rules and vote. This kind of GA-style rule making likely won't affect turnout.
What does affect turnout is 1) importance of the office being voted for and 2) length of lines.
Dems should focus fire on reducing length of voting lines.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/upshot/georgia-election-law-turnout.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
You are correct that, "The most dangerous part of it is that partisan party people will theoretically have the right to overturn election results they don't like." But it's not just a theory, as you also pointed out. And it's not a small thing. This alone is worthy of all the protests and boycotts.
Republicans did make it harder to vote. That is undeniable. At the same time, it is unclear which party will be hurt. I think it energizes the left as it disenfranchises many elderly voters on the right.
The goal of the new voting laws was to help Republicans hold onto power a little longer in Georgia. It was a hail Mary pass that may or may not work.
It was certainly NOT an attempt to solve an imaginary voter fraud problem. So was the bill passed in good faith? Is it something that Republicans genuinely believe is legislation aimed at the common good?
It's now a crime to give a thirsty person a drink of water if they are waiting to vote. While that might not make much difference overall, it tells you with certainty that the bill has evil intent and the politicians who dreamed it up are evil as well.
Oh, and irony of ironies, Georiga Governor Brian Kemp went into quarantine just before the general election in November. He then:
1. Requested an absentee ballot the Friday before the election.
2. Deposited the ballot at an outdoor drop box.
3. He dropped off the absentee ballot on election day.
#1, #2, and #3 are now banned by the Georgia law he just signed.
Fat hurts wrote:
agip wrote:
well boys, I've been reading analyses of the GA voting bill and I think we need to back off criticizing it so roundly.
The most dangerous part of it is that partisan party people will theoretically have the right to overturn election results they don't like. And I have zero doubt that trumpists will dream up some reason to do so and argue it should be done.
But the other elements of it are not that bad and I think non-Trumpists over-reacted. The new rules just aren't out of line and it's not clear if they will help or hurt trumpists.
That said, it'sprobably not a bad thing that an enormous ruckus was tossed at GA after this - it might give some cover for Trumpists in other states to back off attempted voter suppression in their own red states. Getting this kind of bad publicity is not ideal.
Bottom line is that people take voting seriously. If they want to vote they will follow the rules and vote. This kind of GA-style rule making likely won't affect turnout.
What does affect turnout is 1) importance of the office being voted for and 2) length of lines.
Dems should focus fire on reducing length of voting lines.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/upshot/georgia-election-law-turnout.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=HomepageYou are correct that, "The most dangerous part of it is that partisan party people will theoretically have the right to overturn election results they don't like." But it's not just a theory, as you also pointed out. And it's not a small thing. This alone is worthy of all the protests and boycotts.
Republicans did make it harder to vote. That is undeniable. At the same time, it is unclear which party will be hurt. I think it energizes the left as it disenfranchises many elderly voters on the right.
The goal of the new voting laws was to help Republicans hold onto power a little longer in Georgia. It was a hail Mary pass that may or may not work.
It was certainly NOT an attempt to solve an imaginary voter fraud problem. So was the bill passed in good faith? Is it something that Republicans genuinely believe is legislation aimed at the common good?
It's now a crime to give a thirsty person a drink of water if they are waiting to vote. While that might not make much difference overall, it tells you with certainty that the bill has evil intent and the politicians who dreamed it up are evil as well.
Was the no Sunday voting part of this bill?
what kind of pureed breakfast did he have today and are they checking his skin every 4 hours to avoid breakdown due to incontinence?
Trollminator wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
You are correct that, "The most dangerous part of it is that partisan party people will theoretically have the right to overturn election results they don't like." But it's not just a theory, as you also pointed out. And it's not a small thing. This alone is worthy of all the protests and boycotts.
Republicans did make it harder to vote. That is undeniable. At the same time, it is unclear which party will be hurt. I think it energizes the left as it disenfranchises many elderly voters on the right.
The goal of the new voting laws was to help Republicans hold onto power a little longer in Georgia. It was a hail Mary pass that may or may not work.
It was certainly NOT an attempt to solve an imaginary voter fraud problem. So was the bill passed in good faith? Is it something that Republicans genuinely believe is legislation aimed at the common good?
It's now a crime to give a thirsty person a drink of water if they are waiting to vote. While that might not make much difference overall, it tells you with certainty that the bill has evil intent and the politicians who dreamed it up are evil as well.
Was the no Sunday voting part of this bill?
Originally it was. But that provision didn't make the final cut.
As I understand it, R's like to talk about "low information voters." Ridiculous stuff coming from people who follow the ultimate liar, but.....it kinda works out in GA/states voting laws issue:
1) Lower information voters could still possibly know that Trump tried to steal an election and the Rs didn't have a problem with it.
2) That same low information voter (or, arguably, pretty high information voter) could fail to know much about whether various R efforts in the states were, or were not, anti-democratic.
3) But given that they know #1, they'd reasonably fail to give the Rs the benefit of the doubt, and assume that they were being anti-democratic. Perfectly reasonable assumption.
Rs/Trumpers: Stop whining and lay in the bed you made. And STILL don't apologize for making.
I'm all for religious freedom, but I wish these people actually used their brains.
We will undoubtedly see a significant spike in cases, hispitalizations and deaths in a few weeks from their huge Easter celebrations over the weekend. And over the past year, Christians have done themsselves no favors by by refusing to abide by laws and guidelines and holding large gatherings despite a global pandemic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/05/us/covid-vaccine-evangelicals.html
agip wrote:
well boys, I've been reading analyses of the GA voting bill and I think we need to back off criticizing it so roundly.
The most dangerous part of it is that partisan party people will theoretically have the right to overturn election results they don't like. And I have zero doubt that trumpists will dream up some reason to do so and argue it should be done.
But the other elements of it are not that bad and I think non-Trumpists over-reacted. The new rules just aren't out of line and it's not clear if they will help or hurt trumpists.
That said, it'sprobably not a bad thing that an enormous ruckus was tossed at GA after this - it might give some cover for Trumpists in other states to back off attempted voter suppression in their own red states. Getting this kind of bad publicity is not ideal.
Bottom line is that people take voting seriously. If they want to vote they will follow the rules and vote. This kind of GA-style rule making likely won't affect turnout.
What does affect turnout is 1) importance of the office being voted for and 2) length of lines.
Dems should focus fire on reducing length of voting lines.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/upshot/georgia-election-law-turnout.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Nice post. It does seem that many are reacting to proposals that are not even in the bill and silly things like not being able to hand out gifts/food/drink within 25 feet (??I think???) of voting lines.
There are bigger fish to fry.
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How long before even the majority of Dems ask him to step down? Very sad that he spoke incorrectly about the Georgia Voter laws and MLB believed him and the other idiots lying about the changes and pulled the All-Start Game from Atlanta.
So much for unifying the country!
Marietta Tar Heel wrote:
I'm all for religious freedom, but I wish these people actually used their brains.
Not to be catty, but if they "actually used their brains" they might not be evangelical Christians.
Faith is *defined* as "belief in things not seen"--whether seen with the eyes, or through evidence and reasoning.
Their religious faith, which for most if not all evangelicals is the organizing principle of their life, is more non-reason than anti-reason: not so much "against" as "other." But to the extent that evidence and appeals to reason--to their brain--might contradict their belief, evangelicals must dismiss them.
kibitzer wrote:
Marietta Tar Heel wrote:
I'm all for religious freedom, but I wish these people actually used their brains.
Not to be catty, but if they "actually used their brains" they might not be evangelical Christians.
Faith is *defined* as "belief in things not seen"--whether seen with the eyes, or through evidence and reasoning.
Their religious faith, which for most if not all evangelicals is the organizing principle of their life, is more non-reason than anti-reason: not so much "against" as "other." But to the extent that evidence and appeals to reason--to their brain--might contradict their belief, evangelicals must dismiss them.
this is not fair to the many, many brilliant people through history who have nonetheless been people of great faith.