Leapin Lanyards wrote:
This guy is like the MacGuyver of cheating: lanyards
Except for when...
LA2010 wrote:
he cuts off the bottom of his bib, which I'm assuming contains the chip, and has it around his right wrist separate from his watch and yellow band, everyone else has a blue and white bottom edge to their bib.
Just another Frank anomaly lol.
https://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=X94720&LastName=MEZA
Leapin Lanyards wrote:
This guy is like the MacGuyver of cheating: lanyards
I can hear it now:
Frank: I just wanted to make sure it tripped and recorded as I didn't want to be accused of cheating.
The ‘why’ puzzles me. Ok, so he has money, that never stopped anyone from wanting more. He had the admiration from various areas; Latino community, Loyola HS, Kaiser, and probably others. He also is able to run after 70, unlike most others that age, and he says he runs for ‘fun’ so finishing time shouldn’t be a concern. And yet, if you follow the details in this thread and in MI, there has been an alleged significant and sustained effort to cheat in numerous races. That’s why I keep going back to my previous post about some sort of significant financial gain or spokesperson opportunity that would warrant, or blind someone to the risk.
Interesting that this was before he discovered the wonder of bib belts. There was a definite evolution and refinement of his process over the years.
vonschnapps wrote:
That’s why I keep going back to my previous post about some sort of significant financial gain or spokesperson opportunity that would warrant, or blind someone to the risk.
It's about ego, kudos, whatever you want to call it, not money.
Speculate this, how much money do you think two highly recognized and respected medical specialists earn?
Also, Frank had some involvement, he cheated and then gave his bib to one of them to finish with, why?
Likely so they could get a medal and finish in the chute with food and drink.
Probably over $400k, but as a spokesperson for a pharmaceutical company, or maybe his own health promotion plans...could be significantly more. One race=ego, multiple races=something more.
vonschnapps wrote:
but as a spokesperson for a pharmaceutical company, or maybe his own health promotion plans...
He's done neither of those and is hardly likely to start now at 70 years of age.
Anyway, Meza told Amby Burfoot "I work in a big physicians’ practice, supervising 144 other doctors".
It's ego.
Richie wrote:
I'm looking forward to the newspaper coverage!
Don't get too excited, Canadian Running Magazine did a shithouse job.
FMD TG. wrote:
Also, one of the marathons he cheated in he's photographed walking up to the start in a full track suit
He would have had to have handed it off to someone, wouldn't he?
https://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=04JH90&LastName=MEZAOh yeah, and in that one he recorded 2:56:12!!!
Note that in that race, he starts with prescription glasses, runs part of the race without any glasses, then finishes the race with sunglasses.
Haha, note photo third from last (33/35), so that's a 69yo 2:56:12 marathon runner? Yeah right, and my arse is a ballistic missile launcher.
I think it’s more, too much effort and planning over too long of a time frame. I’m not sure I would ever quote FM to bolster my arguments.
FMD TG wrote:
FMD TG. wrote:
Also, one of the marathons he cheated in he's photographed walking up to the start in a full track suit
He would have had to have handed it off to someone, wouldn't he?
https://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=04JH90&LastName=MEZAOh yeah, and in that one he recorded 2:56:12!!!
3rd photo: Track suit and clear eyeglasses
Photos 16 thru 20: no sunglasses
Photo 23: sunglasses resting on top of hat
Photo 14: You can see a white card looking thing attached to the lanyard on his right shoulder
Good eye.
I wonder what could be seen in the high resolution of this image?
Follow the Glasses wrote:
FMD TG wrote:
He would have had to have handed it off to someone, wouldn't he?
https://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=04JH90&LastName=MEZAOh yeah, and in that one he recorded 2:56:12!!!
3rd photo: Track suit and clear eyeglasses
Photos 16 thru 20: no sunglasses
Photo 23: sunglasses resting on top of hat
Photo 14: You can see a white card looking thing attached to the lanyard on his right shoulder
In one of the 2017 San Francisco photos (I think it's right before the finish, but I don't know), he seems to be holding some sort of white loop. What is that?
Avocado's Number wrote:
Follow the Glasses wrote:
3rd photo: Track suit and clear eyeglasses
Photos 16 thru 20: no sunglasses
Photo 23: sunglasses resting on top of hat
Photo 14: You can see a white card looking thing attached to the lanyard on his right shoulder
In one of the 2017 San Francisco photos (I think it's right before the finish, but I don't know), he seems to be holding some sort of white loop. What is that?
Actually, I think it was from the 2014 San Francisco marathon. It may have just been a reflection from the glasses in his hand.
I'd still like to see something more about photos from the 2017 San Francisco marathon. But I'm not going to be the one to dig through them.
triathleteguru wrote:
https://imgur.com/NnHUsddI wonder what could be seen in the high resolution of this image?
I have a hi-res of his watches from one race. Only was displaying time. I’ll dig it up and post it.
Legal Eagle wrote:
Nah wrote:
Runners with cramps stop during marathons and stretch.
An enlarged prostate can cause frequent urination.
Maybe he was getting rides to the bathroom but kept getting dropped off further up the course.
You keep stating that he cheated but you don’t even know how he did it. And you keep arguing with each yourselves. That’s not a good method of proving that he cheated.
Someone who can explain exactly how he did it would be proof. GPS data or picture of him getting on a bike, in or out of a vehicle would be proof. Frankie should take his disappearing act to Vegas.
Getting emotional against someone having a rational discussion by playing devil’s advocate makes you look like a buffoon and makes the accusations seem emotionally biased.
Dear Mr. Nah,
Runners with cramps stop during marathons and stretch. That's some incredible insight you've shared. You should have gone into the legal profession.
Did you realize that the video shared by some very savvy posters doesn't show him running and stopping to stretch, but only him "ENTERING" the course after appearing from the sidewalk, THEN stretching?
If there was no video of him standing on the side, you'd say provide video of him entering from off the course, give me something. Now you want video of him on a bike (of a guy who has been DQ'd before and set an age world record while hanging out on a corner). If that was provided in the the near future, you'd say you used it to bike to a nearby public restroom because he didn't want to get a ticket for peeing in public.
If he was getting "rides to the bathroom", which is BS, he'd have lost 10-15 minutes throughout the entire race, not possible and an ignorant theory that wouldn't hold water for any "normal" thinking person (please stay off public Jurys, thank you).
I know that he cheated and the most logical way is a bike or a car unless you know of a stealth drone that could carry his body weight. With or without an accomplice doesn't matter to me at this point, he cheated.
You need to actually SEE him on a bike, I don't. If he had ran the whole way, you'd have seen him in the video ON the course and not standing there for minutes, yes minutes, then entering from the side, but you don't. Surely you can tell by his body mass and leg turnover that he's minutes better than Dykes or the late and great Whitlock, right?
To average that pace for 26.2 miles, which he didn't, do realize how fast his 5k, 10k and 13.1 mile races would be? Yes, they do interlink in distance races.
The accusations are not emotionally biased, except perhaps to you, being a buffoon and all. You are NOT playing devil's advocate or even remotely close to that. You are posting nonsense at best. You are NOT using sound reasoning but are making up implausible scenarios that mimic fairy tale stories.
GPS data is not needed as there is overwhelming proof that cannot be disputed, period.
I love the trolls on here, even their ignorant posts are easily refuted.
Nice, but I'm still not impressed or certain. I need more.
