So VT rehired the guy that got fired there several years ago, for his racist/drunk tirade on a plane, that also got him kicked off said plane? no way
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So New Mexico hires a person with no experience for a full-time position and she replaces a person that was there for one year who had no experience to begin with. Can head coaches hire people with experience? This makes the sport look foolish.
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Yes indeedy but he is being called a consultant.
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will this ever stop??? wrote:
So New Mexico hires a person with no experience for a full-time position and she replaces a person that was there for one year who had no experience to begin with. Can head coaches hire people with experience? This makes the sport look foolish.
This position reads like it's for an emotional support pet. How many experienced coaches want to be the emotional support pet? Or at least would do so happily for 2-3 years? Makes a lot more sense to go with someone you know and trust who you know will be thankful to be the emotional support pet for 2-3 years. And that's not supposed to be derogatory toward this woman at all...you have to start somewhere before you're doing the actual coaching. This sounds like the right opportunity for her and clearly the right person for what New Mexico wants. Would you be thrilled to be the emotional support pet there? How excited would most "experienced" coaches be to be the emotional support pet? I'm writing this as a proud former emotional support pet myself.
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As someone who hires a lot people, I hire potential or talent over experience EVERY time.
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I have felt this the last couple years. I'm a young, white, male sprint coach who has applied to approximately 20 jobs this summer and only had 2 interviews/phone calls. I spent 5 years working at UF as a manager and then volunteer assistant and am now going into year 3 at MTSU where I feel I have done a good job both coaching and recruiting in a program that heavily focuses on and succeeds in XC/distance, but that hasn't gotten me anywhere
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Toledo Distance
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Toledo will win bigly
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Yyyupp wrote:
Soujaboi wrote:
I feel you and I think everything you are saying is correct. But do you even take the time to interview that championship coach you don’t know? Or does that person not get an interview or a chance because your buddy has someone on the short list?
Everybody’s different obviously, but me personally I give the interviews . Because there’s the chance they say something that resonates. At the very least, in a situation where there’s a short list and one of the short listers takes an offer, I’ve expanded my network and that person who had a great interview probably is on the short list in the future.
then there’s the issue of maybe the timing isn’t right for your short list. If the person you had in mind can’t take job or needs time to decide, you’ll find yourself up a creek with no candidates if you skipped interviews.
Appreciate your transparency.
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ask0708 wrote:
I have felt this the last couple years. I'm a young, white, male sprint coach who has applied to approximately 20 jobs this summer and only had 2 interviews/phone calls. I spent 5 years working at UF as a manager and then volunteer assistant and am now going into year 3 at MTSU where I feel I have done a good job both coaching and recruiting in a program that heavily focuses on and succeeds in XC/distance, but that hasn't gotten me anywhere
I’m a black male distance coach. Someone told me I would not get FT because of this. So switched events. Now I have $$$ lol
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ask0708 wrote:
I have felt this the last couple years. I'm a young, white, male sprint coach who has applied to approximately 20 jobs this summer and only had 2 interviews/phone calls. I spent 5 years working at UF as a manager and then volunteer assistant and am now going into year 3 at MTSU where I feel I have done a good job both coaching and recruiting in a program that heavily focuses on and succeeds in XC/distance, but that hasn't gotten me anywhere
If this is you, its obvious why you only got 2 call backs. You don't look good on paper.....definitely not for sprints. Your situation has zero to do with you being white. Yes, athletes may prefer coaches that look like them- which is why a vast majority of event groups and coaches look similar, but there is cross over. A lot of coaches are able to get their athletes to "buy in" and are able to get past the "cultural" hump if that is an issue.
What have your legitimate successes been that will catch a head coaches eye? Who's in your network that can help promote you?
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You have had two years at the G5 level and some vol. experience and think you are ready for the P5? Be happy you have a position at a fairly well funded mid major that takes the sport seriously. It takes some a lot longer to get even that far.
Some guys get lucky and move up quick. Usually that has more to do with who they know than what they know. It takes most more than two paid years to run an event group at the highest level. Need to cultivate some recruiting ability and gain more experience managing athletes.
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U of Florida distance job might open soon.
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Bradley Sprints & Jumps
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will this ever stop??? wrote:
So New Mexico hires a person with no experience for a full-time position and she replaces a person that was there for one year who had no experience to begin with. Can head coaches hire people with experience? This makes the sport look foolish.
Until the sport starts paying adult salaries there will always be a place for inexperienced coaches.
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coachemup wrote:
will this ever stop??? wrote:
So New Mexico hires a person with no experience for a full-time position and she replaces a person that was there for one year who had no experience to begin with. Can head coaches hire people with experience? This makes the sport look foolish.
Until the sport starts paying adult salaries there will always be a place for inexperienced coaches.
It seems people have to be told this every month.
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hey now it's not fair to pick on the guy. Mike Holloway is a phony, he's the REAL reason why Florida sprints is insane for that one year he was a volunteer, and all that time he was with the program! With all that uh... stuff on his coaching bio, people are just afraid of him being too good.
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To Truth1234: If you are a collegiate coach then you are cheating the athletes. Hiring someone with just "potential" stinks for the athletes, the ones you are supposed to care about. Especially in technical events hiring someone without experience destroys the athletes chances of success. And a question for "Coachemup" - what do you consider an Adult Salary? Is mid-40's an adult salary? Or is it more? Just wondering.
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crazy to see someone with a documented and well know history of letting alcohol ruin his career and shouting racist comments is getting another chance at a P4 program. Guess Craig Carter will be up for a job soon, now that he’s done his time.
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Truth1234 wrote:
As someone who hires a lot people, I hire potential or talent over experience EVERY time.
How do you know someone is talented at coaching, if they never coached?
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