Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

I suppose this would require one of the skilled sleuths to find out how to go through every picture to find this presumed evidence which may be the smoking gun. (or not)

Roderick Powell wrote:

I suppose this would require one of the skilled sleuths to find out how to go through every picture to find this presumed evidence which may be the smoking gun. (or not)

With not much evidence to suggest we are not being trolled . . .

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

Roderick Powell wrote:

I suppose this would require one of the skilled sleuths to find out how to go through every picture to find this presumed evidence which may be the smoking gun. (or not)

With not much evidence to suggest we are not being trolled . . .

True - but could scan through a few of the runners around where he would have been aiming - 2:55-3:00 finishers? I'm sure someone here will do it. maybe annonomous could tell us a runner that had a great day in 2017.

brooklyn123 wrote:

Why? A 60 year old running a 4:25 marathon like he did in Boston in 2008 isn't a mark of shame but an accomplishment. Why did he feel subsequent to then to cheat with abandon? We may never know but LA and Phoenix must and should DQ. Maybe after then we can begin to get the answers but as important protect the integrity of the sport and its results.

The video that I posted a link to last night but that has since been removed from FB gives a pretty clear answer to the "Why"? question! The video opened with a clean and fresh Frank Meza talking about how he had just broken the 66 year old marathon record "a couple hours ago".

Several things you can take from this:

1. It is a professionally done video, so it was scheduled to take place that day. He must have been fairly confident he could get the record.

2. He knew what the record was so he knew exactly how much he needed to cheat to get it.

3. He does not look like someone who had just set a record for his age group in the marathon several hours prior.

4. Frank Meza works/manages at Kaiser Permanente, a very large health care and wellness corporation in CA. Setting records as a 66 year old and on in the marathon has got to have financial benefits for Frank and KP.

I tried for a couple around 2:57-2:58 range and came up with nothing. That's a lot of searching to do. You can also search by garment color, in this case white, but of course there are thousands of people wearing white.

A thought crossed my mind that if we were to believe Mr. Anonymous, I wonder if the pictures would show Meza returning the favor to an accomplice in San Fran. Maybe he mules and cuts for a friend. Or maybe he actually wanted to run a marathon for once and had to do it under a different name.

Wishful thinking, more likely is that Anonymous is trying to send someone down the rabbit hole of looking at thousands of pics for Frank.

Runners with cramps stop during marathons and stretch.

An enlarged prostate can cause frequent urination.

Maybe he was getting rides to the bathroom but kept getting dropped off further up the course.

You keep stating that he cheated but you don’t even know how he did it. And you keep arguing with each yourselves. That’s not a good method of proving that he cheated.

Someone who can explain exactly how he did it would be proof. GPS data or picture of him getting on a bike, in or out of a vehicle would be proof. Frankie should take his disappearing act to Vegas.

Getting emotional against someone having a rational discussion by playing devil’s advocate makes you look like a buffoon and makes the accusations seem emotionally biased.

I went through quite a few looking it FM on a bike in the background and came up empty. One of the photos that comes up for his bib number, by without him in it, has a bike parked in the background. That got me to thinking.

Nah wrote:

You keep stating that he cheated but you don’t even know how he did it. And you keep arguing with each yourselves. That’s not a good method of proving that he cheated.

Ah, the old "impossible standard of evidence" gambit, suppose someone followed him start to finish videoing everything including going off course, riding a bike, re-entering just before each mat and returning to the bike parked very close by and repeat and the video would be an obvious deep fake.

To DQ someone does not need impossible standards of evidence, just a preponderance of evidence that the race was completed fairly.

Missed a "Not" before completed fairly

Suspicious that we were asked to look at the only photo that doesn’t seem to have much evidence.

interesting re: motive. Refresh our memory: who produced and posted the video? Frank or was it Kaiser and Frank just appeared in it? And let's remind the world: Frank didn't break ANY record back then even legally and was probably taken aback that nobody outside of his cult took notice. Just ask USATF who didn't know who he was (officially, that is), or even the Letsrun founders who were called directly out months ago in another discussion thread and responded with a "who's Frank Meza "? Mind you this was the one of the "greatest masters runner of our time". (snark) I think we're getting to the root of Frank's madness: He would do anything for attention and sadly a 4:25 at Boston in 2008 didn't cut it in his mind. "look at me world, look at me., look at me, dammit!!!. Ok. we are NOW Frank.

splitwatcher wrote:

The result of the winner of the 60-64 back at Carlsbad 2014 has been scrubbed from athlinks. Only Frank stands by his false accomplishments.

Did all the old guys at Carlsbad cheat in 2014?

I imagine a bunch of Grandpa Simpsons hopping off the course.

"You cheating?"

"Yeah, you?"

"Yeah"

"Should we Rock, Paper, Scissors, to see who gets to win?"

Nope nope nope nope nope wrote:

There is no proof that he cheated. He certainly did based on a wide amount of circumstantial evidence but there is not one iota of evidence proving that he cheated.

Lack of him in photos is not evidence. His presence at timing mats is actually supporting evidence, “ proof” that he ran the race. That’s the point of having the mats.

If he had missed mats then that would be evidence that he didn’t run. That’s why LAM can’t DQ him. Their method of proof shows that he didn’t cheat despite the fact that logically he did.

That's not how proof works. All it proves is that his chip was at the timing mats at the time. Says nothing at all about whether actually ran the race.

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brooklyn123 wrote:

triathleteguru wrote:

4. Frank Meza works/manages at Kaiser Permanente, a very large health care and wellness corporation in CA. Setting records as a 66 year old and on in the marathon has got to have financial benefits for Frank and KP.

I think we're getting to the root of Frank's madness: He would do anything for attention and sadly a 4:25 at Boston in 2008 didn't cut it in his mind. "look at me world, look at me., look at me, dammit!!!. Ok. we are NOW Frank.

Frank doesn't need the money, his wife is an obs/gyne, so top medicos dollars x 2 (that's his wife at video post above).

Brooklyn123 is right, its ego.

His only way out of it now is to come clean and blame pressure of work, stress, etc clouded his judgement, something along those lines, I'm sure a good lawyer and psychologist could advise.

This is only going to get bigger, Loyola High scrubbing him from their website is only the start.

Anonymous Poster wrote:

RossiCheated wrote:

What race, specifically? I don't find him as a finisher in the San Fran marathon that year.

He is not listed as a finisher. The evidence is in the photos.

Mr. Anonymous might be trolling. There's a 1-second lapse camera of the finish line, and I don't see anyone cross the line in the relevant timeframe (around 2:50-3:05). The only person who looks at all similar is here, and it doesn't look like FM:

If anyone else wants to look, go for it.

Annon. wrote:

brooklyn123 wrote:

I think we're getting to the root of Frank's madness: He would do anything for attention and sadly a 4:25 at Boston in 2008 didn't cut it in his mind. "look at me world, look at me., look at me, dammit!!!. Ok. we are NOW Frank.

Frank doesn't need the money, his wife is an obs/gyne, so top medicos dollars x 2 (that's his wife at video post above).

Brooklyn123 is right, its ego.

His only way out of it now is to come clean and blame pressure of work, stress, etc clouded his judgement, something along those lines, I'm sure a good lawyer and psychologist could advise.

This is only going to get bigger, Loyola High scrubbing him from their website is only the start.

EGO

"csulblatinocenter

Dr. Frank Meza of Kaiser holds world record for marathon for his age group and dedicates his amazing energy to eliminate health disparities #lhec2015 #latino #health"

Anonymous Poster wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this but someone should look through San Francisco 2017 pictures. A lot will be explained and a new twist will be revealed.

Actually a brilliant troll job! Here guys, go look through unmarked photographs of 27,000 runners.