They can DQ, and FM can tell the truth. Being a liar does detract from his accomplishments.
They can DQ, and FM can tell the truth. Being a liar does detract from his accomplishments.
Greg Chrisman wrote:
RP - I wasn't intending to come across as rude. Sorry you perceived my post as that way. I have posted some pix thru my own minor sleuthing (I'd love to have more time to really go thru the pix). My opinion is that harping on possible banditing friends doesn't really add that much to the discussion. All those that are interested in this fascinating story should really sleuth the races in the athlinks profile such as:
United airlines R&R LA 1/2 M 2016 and 2017 or 2018
LA Chinatown 10K 2017
Santa clarita 1/2 2016
SF mar 2014
SD R&R 1/2 - 2014
Carlsbad M - 2014
R&R Pasadena 1/2 2012
Long Beach M 2011
Kaiser Perm mara 2011
NYRR 1/2 grand prix staten Isl 1/2 2009
What's up with the over 60 crowd? Having just scanned through the 2014 Carlsbad M age graded results, old peeps are throwing down some speedy times and giving FM a run for his money:
https://www.runraceresults.com/Secure/RaceResults.cfm?ID=RCFY2014Frank-eeeeeeee wrote:
frank-eeeeeee! everyone sing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXYZGFw_ZQ4
Lol, I like how it opens with "I was walking down the street one day, when I looked up and saw a friend - Hey Frankie", just as the red circle appears around the shadowy creep lurking on the sidewalk.
Pity it didn't happen to him in the race - skulking around trying to blend in and someone shouts "Hey Frankie". Might have put more of a kink in his shuffling stride than usual.
Sorry To GC. I actually felt the same way sortof. I posted pics from the Pasadena HM Jan 2019. I had no idea that the bandit direction this thread took was in that post. I actually had not looked as closely at those photos as other then did. It is a mystery though, and since it clearly involves Frank Meza (who inadvertantly exposed the 3 so-called bandits by running on course with them ---wearing his bib--- about 25 minutes after he crossed the finish line) Any oddity involving frank Meza IS relevant....in my personal opinion. FYI, I have perused FM's athlinks results for close to 3 years...as I was his biggest fan. His improvements inspired me in my running progress. I liked the idea that I could improve, even in my early 60's. I now accept that holding on to my present times will help me outlast my competitors...who don't have my "fresh legs". (started running again after nearly 40 years in my mid 50's) Peace!
The result of the winner of the 60-64 back at Carlsbad 2014 has been scrubbed from athlinks. Only Frank stands by his false accomplishments.
Nope nope nope nope nope wrote:
Roderick Powell wrote:
There are some people on this thread who have addressed concerns about bandits at races. It is certainly relevant to Frank Meza’s mindset. We were just passing time “proving” Frank Meza cheated at previous races. The bottom line of “did he cheat”, has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. When someone posts as rudely as you Greg, one has to ask “are you the distractor/deflector”? And for who? Someone with vested interests in the Frank Meza camp? Who’s side are you on? Most of us are simply on the side of having the truth be revealed. Frank Meza’s denials and explanations have challenged many posters to find more proof....to be guilt beyond “all” doubt.
There is no proof that he cheated. He certainly did based on a wide amount of circumstantial evidence but there is not one iota of evidence proving that he cheated.
Lack of him in photos is not evidence. His presence at timing mats is actually supporting evidence, “ proof” that he ran the race. That’s the point of having the mats.
If he had missed mats then that would be evidence that he didn’t run. That’s why LAM can’t DQ him. Their method of proof shows that he didn’t cheat despite the fact that logically he did.
Yes, there is proof. There is simple logic that applies when someone runs a marathon. Obviously it's above your level of thinking as your post proves.
No one stands on the side of a race course, more than once mind you, and then as a 70 year old finishes a race in world record time for his age group. If I was an RD, he'd be disqualified in a heartbeat and I'd make it known to other RD's (we'd all be connected and share cheater results via a private website).
Using your flawed logic, missed mats would not prove that he didn't run as he could claim a technical malfunction with their timing system. He was smart enough to know that there were video cameras at the timing mat locations. He knew that he had to be seen crossing them, but he didn't realize is how far down the street that the video actually was filming.
Those aren't circumstantial evidence, it's using common sense that he could not be seen for how many minutes before he appeared at the corner, then he appeared and waited for how long, then he jumped in with no number showing.
To not be able to figure that out means you're the last guy I'd want on a jury in any case that had a possible serious outcome as you'd screw it up.
What was his time at Carlsbad 2014? I somehow missed that one.
Legal Eagle wrote:
Nope nope nope nope nope wrote:
There is no proof that he cheated. He certainly did based on a wide amount of circumstantial evidence but there is not one iota of evidence proving that he cheated.
Lack of him in photos is not evidence. His presence at timing mats is actually supporting evidence, “ proof” that he ran the race. That’s the point of having the mats.
If he had missed mats then that would be evidence that he didn’t run. That’s why LAM can’t DQ him. Their method of proof shows that he didn’t cheat despite the fact that logically he did.
Yes, there is proof. There is simple logic that applies when someone runs a marathon. Obviously it's above your level of thinking as your post proves.
No one stands on the side of a race course, more than once mind you, and then as a 70 year old finishes a race in world record time for his age group. If I was an RD, he'd be disqualified in a heartbeat and I'd make it known to other RD's (we'd all be connected and share cheater results via a private website).
Using your flawed logic, missed mats would not prove that he didn't run as he could claim a technical malfunction with their timing system. He was smart enough to know that there were video cameras at the timing mat locations. He knew that he had to be seen crossing them, but he didn't realize is how far down the street that the video actually was filming.
Those aren't circumstantial evidence, it's using common sense that he could not be seen for how many minutes before he appeared at the corner, then he appeared and waited for how long, then he jumped in with no number showing.
To not be able to figure that out means you're the last guy I'd want on a jury in any case that had a possible serious outcome as you'd screw it up.
Yes, there are some simpletons on this thread that don't understand overwhelming evidence. Let them simmer.
Legal Eagle wrote:
Yes, there is proof. There is simple logic that applies when someone runs a marathon. Obviously it's above your level of thinking as your post proves.
No one stands on the side of a race course, more than once mind you, and then as a 70 year old finishes a race in world record time for his age group.
Heck, even the accused cheater admits to a LAM rule infraction by going off course to urinate (openly in public), and not re-entering the course at the point where he left. The accused cheater even acknowledges the photographic evidence of this violation.
SF marathon 2014 http://rm.gamefacemedia.com/races/340/embed
FM is bib 20274
click all photos then click X then put 20274
MIProsec. wrote:
Yes, there are some simpletons on this thread that don't understand overwhelming evidence. Let them simmer.
I'm still waiting for the simpleton who talks about no proof to define the level of proof required to satisfy him.
Some people like to have the marathon times of others. Some of these people just falsely claim them as theirs.
Roderick Powell wrote:
click all photos then click X then put 20274
Ok, only finish line photos and oddly a few photos in which he doesn’t appear. What else?
RossiCheated wrote:
Anonymous Poster wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this but someone should look through San Francisco 2017 pictures. A lot will be explained and a new twist will be revealed.
What race, specifically? I don't find him as a finisher in the San Fran marathon that year.
He is not listed as a finisher. The evidence is in the photos.
Legal Eagle wrote:
Nope nope nope nope nope wrote:
There is no proof that he cheated. He certainly did based on a wide amount of circumstantial evidence but there is not one iota of evidence proving that he cheated.
Lack of him in photos is not evidence. His presence at timing mats is actually supporting evidence, “ proof” that he ran the race. That’s the point of having the mats.
If he had missed mats then that would be evidence that he didn’t run. That’s why LAM can’t DQ him. Their method of proof shows that he didn’t cheat despite the fact that logically he did.
Yes, there is proof. There is simple logic that applies when someone runs a marathon. Obviously it's above your level of thinking as your post proves.
No one stands on the side of a race course, more than once mind you, and then as a 70 year old finishes a race in world record time for his age group. If I was an RD, he'd be disqualified in a heartbeat and I'd make it known to other RD's (we'd all be connected and share cheater results via a private website).
Using your flawed logic, missed mats would not prove that he didn't run as he could claim a technical malfunction with their timing system. He was smart enough to know that there were video cameras at the timing mat locations. He knew that he had to be seen crossing them, but he didn't realize is how far down the street that the video actually was filming.
Those aren't circumstantial evidence, it's using common sense that he could not be seen for how many minutes before he appeared at the corner, then he appeared and waited for how long, then he jumped in with no number showing.
To not be able to figure that out means you're the last guy I'd want on a jury in any case that had a possible serious outcome as you'd screw it up.
I agree. And for those tuning in just now, he's been proven beyond a runners shadow of doubt to have not run the entire courses in LA and Phoenix (see here
marathoninvestigation.com/2019/05/analysis-of-frank-mezas-2019-sprouts-mesa-phx-record-breaking-marathon-result.htmland here:
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2019/06/frank-meza-additional-evidence-la-marathon-course-cutting.html). Hitting all of the mats isn't the sole determinant of disqualification especially when there's insurmountable evidence indicating he didn't run the entire courses and, or violated the LA Marathon's rules as per their site (
https://www.lamarathon.com/event-info/rules). The additional "circumstantial" evidence presented on this LR board and elsewhere about these two races and others is extraordinarily large and telling which shows intent to deceive not only in these races but in almost all he has done separate of Boston in 2008. And For goodness sakes, Why? A 60 year old running a 4:25 marathon like he did in Boston in 2008 isn't a mark of shame but an accomplishment. Why did he feel subsequent to then to cheat with abandon? We may never know but LA and Phoenix must and should DQ. Maybe after then we can begin to get the answers but as important protect the integrity of the sport and its results.
Oh and If the Russians are "listening", can you hack into his Garmin account? (yes, he wears a Garmin, Polar or another fat GPS watch) in spite of what he's said.
Roderick Powell wrote:
To the anonymous poster re San Fran 2017... are you really concerned your anonymity is not assured....or are you from the Frank Meza camp posting a false lead to distract....
I am not in the "Frank Meza camp." But I am very close to this situation. After I read through the next couple of pages of posts since I initially posted, I'm out. But, again, you'll find the connections in the photos.
Anonymous Poster wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
What race, specifically? I don't find him as a finisher in the San Fran marathon that year.
He is not listed as a finisher. The evidence is in the photos.
I guess you are trying to say he was likely/presumably DQ'd and the pics will show he ran it???