I'm Done. The Mezra death brought home how cycincal and damaging this website it to real people

Posts showing evidence of FM's cheating keep appearing because willfully-blind apologists continue to spin alternate-reality Bizarro worlds where his culpability was anything but ABSOLUTE certainty.

The truth clearly makes you uncomfortable.

Seems to me, those messages would stop if the deluded messages precipitating them stop...

Who's the Clown Now? wrote:

I did look. Who's the clown now, Fuzzy Photo?

Wow. Just wow. I'm speechless.

Yeah, but if they are willfully blind, what is being accomplished?

Look, either these aplologists are friends or family of Frank, in which case hey are suffering enough, or they aren’t, in which case you are either being trolled and responding just how they want, or they simply will never admit Frank’s cheating regardless of the evidence.

So what do we get from piling on at this point when there is already so much evidence that no reasonable person can deny it?

There is no benefit, but rather there is only the potential cost to any of Frank’s friends or family who see these posts or being further reminded of Frank’s lies. And as I’ve said they have suffered enough. Does showing everyone what any reasonable person already knows really justify that cost?

I won’t deny appreciating the closure of those last couple of pics, but let’s leave that as the capstone on the “he’s a cheater” debate.

Been telling people for years to go to tracktalk.net. It is better than this website and the guy told me privately years ago he closed the forum to registered members only to reduce trolling. I am speechless thinking back to it. Ahead of the times and ahead of this place that is for sure.

https://tracktalk.net

Smoove wrote:

I won’t deny appreciating the closure of those last couple of pics, but let’s leave that as the capstone on the “he’s a cheater” debate.

+1, Smoove. Those last photos pretty much are the last chapter of a terrible and tragic story. Closure for me, too, but tragically so. I wish it all had gone differently, all the way back.

Smoove wrote:

So what do we get from piling on at this point when there is already so much evidence that no reasonable person can deny it?

There is no benefit, but rather there is only the potential cost to any of Frank’s friends or family who see these posts [...]. And as I’ve said they have suffered enough. Does showing everyone what any reasonable person already knows really justify that cost?

Yes. I understand the importance of truth. Shouldn’t we also value compassion?

deadesq wrote:

Smoove wrote:

I won’t deny appreciating the closure of those last couple of pics, but let’s leave that as the capstone on the “he’s a cheater” debate.

+1, Smoove. Those last photos pretty much are the last chapter of a terrible and tragic story. Closure for me, too, but tragically so. I wish it all had gone differently, all the way back.

-1.

A wrongful death lawsuit will be coming at MI and LRC. Lawyer-up boys.

Wrongful death includes bullying, and bullying includes cyberbullying.

I think the Meza family may have gone to the press to soon.Instead of them being in complete denial as was suggested here, It's possible that they thought at the time of Franks death and their very quick statement, that the only the evidence included wether or not he stepped off to pee ,or cut. It seems like that could be quite likely. They may not have seen of digested the full scope., like the bike.

They may or may not know a lot more than they let on about Meza's history, but perhaps they wouldn't know what LR posters and Derek had updated in regards. They wouldn't unless they or "The Team" was sitting right on top of the thread . It happened so fast. They had a lot going on for sure. Frank may have known more than they did , including that some of his friends and supporters were capitulating.

You've said triggered multiple times now. You're the only one using buzzwords, incorrectly I might add. Just like a troll isn't 'anyone who disagrees with me,' the word trigger/triggered means just one thing. And your side owns it.

So you spend your time arguing with disturbed people on the internet? How many times are you going to type a few paragraphs about how little you care? Please, keep going.

And an appeal to the majority. Typical hypocrite. You're all alone on this one.

Like I said, your life is a mess, you're a hypocrite, and you have no moral authority over anyone.

Wrongful Death wrote:

-1.

A wrongful death lawsuit will be coming at MI and LRC. Lawyer-up boys.

Wrongful death includes bullying, and bullying includes cyberbullying.

More chance of the runners that were cheated by FM successfully suing his estate.

Presenting evidence, asking the cheater to comment, publishing the cheater's denials etc etc are not examples of cyberbullying, it is 'doing the right thing ' for others such as Ed Whitlock

Do people really think censorship is a good thing? Really?

I am Sam wrote:

Wrongful Death wrote:

-1.

A wrongful death lawsuit will be coming at MI and LRC. Lawyer-up boys.

Wrongful death includes bullying, and bullying includes cyberbullying.

More chance of the runners that were cheated by FM successfully suing his estate.

Presenting evidence, asking the cheater to comment, publishing the cheater's denials etc etc are not examples of cyberbullying, it is 'doing the right thing ' for others such as Ed Whitlock

You are WRONG. You know ZERO about lawsuits, and NOTHiNG about wrongful death.

Wrongful Death wrote:

-1.

A wrongful death lawsuit will be coming at MI and LRC. Lawyer-up boys.

Wrongful death includes bullying, and bullying includes cyberbullying.

That would be a massive own goal. Far more stuff about Frank's cheating would get publicised, including the debate-ending three photos posted previously.

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Steel man wrote:

Lead story again today on CNN. Derek Murphy mentioned a lot.

Sad story for all involved. Condolences to Meza’s family and friends.

https://www.cnn.com/

You have to feel bad for Murphy (obviously not as bad as the Meza family). His name and quotes are all over these suicide articles. Most of them make it out that Meza committed suicide after or as a result of his investigation. If you google his name the articles are what comes up. He will be forever associated with this incident.

Sancreed wrote:

Wrongful Death wrote:

-1.

A wrongful death lawsuit will be coming at MI and LRC. Lawyer-up boys.

Wrongful death includes bullying, and bullying includes cyberbullying.

That would be a massive own goal. Far more stuff about Frank's cheating would get publicised, including the debate-ending three photos posted previously.

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Attorney are knocking on the door of Meza's family hoping to be the one who represents them. By continuing to attack Meza for "cheating" you are only boosting the legal claims made by the attorney. In a legal case the only use any "cheating" claims will be proving that they lead to his death--harassment and bullying. That he "cheated" will not get you guys off the hook.

Fuel 2 the Fire wrote:

Attorney are knocking on the door of Meza's family hoping to be the one who represents them. By continuing to attack Meza for "cheating" you are only boosting the legal claims made by the attorney. In a legal case the only use any "cheating" claims will be proving that they lead to his death--harassment and bullying. That he "cheated" will not get you guys off the hook.

bu-but-bu-but he cheated, your honor! he CHEATED at a MARATHON! have you no SCRUPLES?

On further presentation of evidence:

I personally think it's time for the posts of further evidence of FM cheating to stop. Even if someone found a video of him riding a bike by a timing mat with a sign that read, "I'm cheating my way to a world class marathon time", I wouldn't care at this point. I don't need anymore evidence, I hope he rests in peace, and I hope his friends and family get the closure they need.

On the odd surge of posts almost threatening potential lawsuits related to "cyberbullying":

Something is . . . odd about these posts. I'll just leave it at that. They almost seem to be baiting. I again hope Dr. Meza's friends and family get the closure they need, and I understand an emotional reaction in the aftermath of a tragic death.

On the threats against Mr. Murphey and Marathon Investigations:

It is my belief these are completely out of line. Derek took a reasonable and calculated approach to Dr. Meza's cheating accusations, presenting accusations fairly and providing Dr. Meza the opportunity to comment. Many news outlets also covered the story, including at least one who took a camera crew to his house and knocked on his door. I don't think that was over the line either - but it was certainly further than Marathon Investigations went. I suspect someone has an axe to grind with MI and is posting here.

On the original thread and people that suggested the AMA and Loyola High School be contacted, along with those posting online reviews and ... What not:

Over the line in my opinion. It may be legally defensible, but it's personally amoral. I again think these types of posts (especially the people encouraging others to go leave negative reviews for his business) should be moderated.

In summary, RIP Dr. Meza (and Ed Whitlock).

Fuel 2 the Fire wrote:

Attorney are knocking on the door of Meza's family hoping to be the one who represents them. By continuing to attack Meza for "cheating" you are only boosting the legal claims made by the attorney. In a legal case the only use any "cheating" claims will be proving that they lead to his death--harassment and bullying. That he "cheated" will not get you guys off the hook.

Not sure I follow your logic. If reporting, blogging about, publicizing factual negative information about a person is considered bullying (other than information covered by privacy laws), how would journalists ever have the freedom to do their jobs? There is negative factual news about private citizens in the media every day. In fact, my guess is that the first 20 minutes of your local news tonight will be full of all kinds of crazy stuff -stuff that will cause shame and embarrassment to the people in the news. So those people can claim that they are being bullied and suffering...and thus sue for damages???

Doesn’t make sense to me.

Help me out here. Postmortem statements regarding his cheating led to his death how exactly?