Love the zoom flys and cool weather combo.
6 mile tempo in 35:56. R3 is ready for some racing.
HRE once posted that he has encountered similar hostility on these boards for his pro-Lydiard stance. It got so nasty towards him that he found it necessary to leave threads soon after posting. This groupthink mentality is nothing new.
Don’t compare yourself to HRE. If he were to read all of your hostile posts, I think it’s fair to say that he would not want to be associated with you. Also HRE is a legit runner and student of the sport, someone who was not afraid to get after it and honestly document and discuss, with civility, his thoughts and feedback. Your writing sounds more like a drunk, angry heckler.
Loss of Identity
An individual’s identity may contain numerous dimensions, however, it is possible for one in particular to become dominant or preferred and a lens through which the others are viewed. Athletic identity is described as the degree to which an individual identifies with the athlete role and looks to others for acknowledgement of that role (Brewer, Van Raalte, & Linder, 1993). The neglect or atrophy of other roles as a consequence of the ascendancy of a single role may therefore expose the individual to subsequent identity issues. It has been hypothesised that the loss of a preferred or dominant role may subsequently effect a person’s overall self-concept (Markus, 1977;Stryker,1978).
Lavallee & Grove (1997) identified that individuals with a high athletic identity at the time of retirement were more likely to experience a higher degree of emotional adjustment difficulties. Bill Cole, a world-renowned peak performance coach who has worked with many athletes who have struggled to come to terms with their retirement, noted that an important factor was this profound sense of loss in their lives that athletes may experience after putting their competing days behind them.
Tunnel Vision Syndrome
A “tunnel vision syndrome” affects many elite athletes to varying degrees at some stage of their careers. It is often the case that coaches, parents, professional sports agents and general managers are able to see it, however, athletes who are unaware that they suffer from tunnel vision spend far too much time thinking only of training, competition and results. As a result, athletes are left ill-prepared for the balanced perspective required of “real world” career opportunities. Britain’s double Olympic rowing champion James Cracknell stated, “I think people suffer from depression after retiring from sport because they aren’t sure where to apply that focus…there is a lot of focus and a lot of selfishness in sportsmen.” Athletes often cannot see their lives following another career path and as soon as the dreaded retirement looms, with this, brings a void that the comfort of a training routine once filled.
outsiderunner wrote:
72 + 70 here...but it is not going to go up. Waiting on that northerly breeze to arrive.
75 + 71 over here. But since it wasn’t much better at 6 a.m., and isn’t getting, it gave me an excuse to get a later start (just hope the clouds stay). Regardless, probably going to have to take it easy on this 20 (likely) to 23 (not likely). Looks good starting tomorrow.
runrincerepeat wrote:
Love the zoom flys and cool weather combo.
6 mile tempo in 35:56. R3 is ready for some racing.
Damn, sub-6:00 is gonna have to loan out his username...that’s a helluva tempo...almost halfway to a 1:18:xx HM. You are really stepping up your game.
too legit to quit wrote:
Don’t compare yourself to HRE. If he were to read all of your hostile posts, I think it’s fair to say that he would not want to be associated with you. Also HRE is a legit runner and student of the sport, someone who was not afraid to get after it and honestly document and discuss, with civility, his thoughts and feedback. Your writing sounds more like a drunk, angry heckler.
Nope. The difference between HRE and myself is that he wisely abandons ship before trolls like you have a chance to denigrate him. Maybe I just have thicker skin.
Indeed, keep up the great work! Great job on the personal transformation that you mentioned awhile back!
The Stone Cutter wrote:
runrincerepeat wrote:
Love the zoom flys and cool weather combo.
6 mile tempo in 35:56. R3 is ready for some racing.
Damn, sub-6:00 is gonna have to loan out his username...that’s a helluva tempo...almost halfway to a 1:18:xx HM. You are really stepping up your game.
That’s a good run, those were not Sub 6 beer miles! (And even if they were, NA doesn’t count.)
a legend in one’s own mind wrote:
Indeed, keep up the great work! Great job on the personal transformation that you mentioned awhile back!
I’m flattered by all the attention I’be been getting recently. Has the groupthink mentality shifted from ignoring me to engaging? Let’s see how many pages will be devoted to me instead of R3s tempo run. That’s right. The trolls on this thread don’t take well to midweek training updates as OR (one of the nicest guys on here) has been repeatedly attacked for.
Sub 6:00 wrote:
The Stone Cutter wrote:
Damn, sub-6:00 is gonna have to loan out his username...that’s a helluva tempo...almost halfway to a 1:18:xx HM. You are really stepping up your game.
That’s a good run, those were not Sub 6 beer miles! (And even if they were, NA doesn’t count.)
All credit goes to pap who is getting me into shape .. aerobic strength mode. I do believe the biking helps but not as much as the no beer. Starting to feel like the sky is the limit for sober R3.
How about this too hot: you seem to think you know my fitness better than I do. I have assessed myself to be in 2:32-2:33 shape. You have assessed 2:35 shape. Let's meet in the middle at 2:34:30. If I run slower than that, you have your choice: I stop posting on the weekly thread for 6 months or I follow your coaching for 6 months so that your superior knowledge of the sport can be demonstrated. If I run faster, you stop posting on the weekly thread for 6 months. If I break 2:30, you never post on the weekly thread again. We each give our word not to post under pseudonyms.
I am fine either way. At this point your personal vitriol towards me doesn't do anything more than shake my head and smile, but I am disappointed that it drags down the quality of the thread, so I came up with this idea.
Absent an agreement to this arrangement, this will be my last post to you.
As stone said, ignore at all costs. Anyone who demands complete anonymity has zero credibility.
16 this am...first time I’ve finished a run not soaked in sweat in ages.
R3 is just motoring along. It’s been fun watching the fitness come to you.
As for weather, a chilly 85 this morning, dew point of 57. Definitely isn’t helping the motivation. Costa Rica in another week and a half, maybe it will be cooler there. Speaking of, anyone spend any time in Jaco and can offer insight on where to perhaps run?
Smoove wrote:
I have assessed myself to be in 2:32-2:33 shape.
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If you assess your fitness to be at 2:32-2:33 then why do you think that it is reasonable to shoot for 2:29? There is a disconnect in your reasoning.
I do not accept the terms of your arrangement for several reasons:
1) The beauty of LetsRun is the freedom of speech it allows and the ability it affords to continue voicing our opinions. Requiring you or myself to stop posting would not be right. It scares me to think that you believe in suppression.
2) It would not surprise me if you ran 2:34:30 or even a couple minutes faster. I have only been making arguments to support the claim that you are not in sub-2:30 shape.
3) If you do not break 2:30 I will not be here to gloat over the fact that I was right. I may have and will continue to have opinions on what you should be doing differently but I do not rejoice in the pain and suffering of others.
Bdubs wrote:
Anyone who demands complete anonymity has zero credibility.
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I would love to hear the reasoning behind this one.
Strong tempo RRR! Looking good.
Smoove wrote:
How about this too hot: you seem to think you know my fitness better than I do. I have assessed myself to be in 2:32-2:33 shape. You have assessed 2:35 shape. Let's meet in the middle at 2:34:30. If I run slower than that, you have your choice: I stop posting on the weekly thread for 6 months or I follow your coaching for 6 months so that your superior knowledge of the sport can be demonstrated. If I run faster, you stop posting on the weekly thread for 6 months. If I break 2:30, you never post on the weekly thread again. We each give our word not to post under pseudonyms.
I am fine either way. At this point, your personal vitriol towards me doesn't do anything more than shake my head and smile, but I am disappointed that it drags down the quality of the thread, so I came up with this idea.
Absent an agreement to this arrangement, this will be my last post to you.
I really don't like this. It is a lose-lose proposition for the thread.
Smoove, You offer a lot to this thread with your knowledge and insights. Even for someone like me that doesn't really care for Daniels. Hopefully, the only reason you made this proposal is that you are confident about the shape you are in. Marathons are very tricky though and I'd hate for you to not be on here because things outside of your control happen in marathons.
Too Hot, I'd not like to see you go either. I think you have a good deal of knowledge but unfortunately, it has become very hard to read through the lines to gain any insight. I'm old too and did a lot of Lydiard type training. I get what you are saying a lot of the times but it reads like it is very jaded. A guy with your knowledge and with so much to offer shouldn't come off that way.
Everyone else including me, conversations are really great things. People always have the option to engage or ignore. I've lost a good deal of the language processing center in my brain. Typing, talking and such wears me out physically, mentally and emotionally. The internet is a nice place for me. No one gets to see the level of effort I have to put in to convey my thoughts. IRL a lot of people just think I'm an introverted D-Bag because I practice the engage or ignore method for survival. Anyways, whats the old sayings "If you don't have anything worth saying why say it?" This also applies to a response.
Pappy,
I think you give Too Hot too much credit. It's hard to see any wisdom in what he says, given that he is negative 9/10 times, and pretty much an a$$hole when he does it.
What I can glean is this
1. He has a problem with one specific runner on the thread, and attacks that runner's posts. They're never productive,just mean. He has several other "targets," all for unknown reasons.
2. He largely thinks the consensus (or following the consensus) is wrong.
3. He refuses to provide any results, for either himself or people he has coached. That's why he deserves zero credibility.
In general, he's just a jerk, and off base. There are numerous people on the thread who are accomplished, and have done so with very different training. There are people who are accomplished and completely disagree on training, but do so in a civil way.
There is often criticism of each other, and most of the time it is constructive, and received well. His criticism isn't constructive, it's just mean.
It really brings the thread down, so we all need to ignore it. It is tempting to fight fire with fire (STone and I clearly got under his skin), but you have to be stronger than that!
FYI, I'm greatly encouraged by RRR tempo today. I think tempos will help him dial in race effort and he'll be able to see some big PR s on that alone.