Official 2017 Worlds Day 2 Discussion Thread

they're all dirty wrote:

Clerk wrote:

I love this.

Stadium audience is embarrassing themselves. BBC broadcasters are embarrassing themselves.

I'm more militant anti-doping than most, but good on Gatlin. I am convinced Bolt is dirty, like Gatlin, but good on him too.

But the audience and talking heads can fnck off. The hypocritical hero worship (keep in mind who is in the commentators' box...) that tries to build Gatlin as some villain is everything wrong with the sport.

That's a good post.

I understand that, on an ethical level, Gatlin doesn't deserve the hatred towards him but I disagree that making him out as a villain is everything that's wrong with the sport. People love stories. They love plot lines. Look at the NBA. look how much news was made about Kevin Durant going to the Golden state warriors or Kyrie Irving wanting out of Cleveland. I would argue that making Gatlin out to be a villain actually helps the sport's popularity. As for Gatlin personally? I would guess he doesn't even care or actually I would guess that it drives him.

Artojas wrote:

DidIReadthatright? wrote:

Do you even have a clue of the difference between the 100 and 400?

Go look up WVN PB and SB at 100m. Think too, he would have won todays final.

The point is that he can't be training for the 400 AND also the 100. Sure he could've won the 100 today but his 400 would have taken a back seat.

What's wrong with the sport is that Gatlin got both his sentences reduced by a whopping 50%.

Disagreeman wrote:

they're all dirty wrote:

That's a good post.

I understand that, on an ethical level, Gatlin doesn't deserve the hatred towards him but I disagree that making him out as a villain is everything that's wrong with the sport.

You should read that again. The poster said that it's the hypocritical hero worship that ... is everything wrong with the sport.

Women's 10000 last 6 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUNJrVZjGWc

Doping still exists because of all the butt hurt fans who can't bear to see an athlete booed. It's obviously a USA thing. Polite, positive Hayward snowflakes. The kayfabe that athletes are clean is all on you guys.

It doesn't matter that others are suspected dopers, or that not all dopers are booed (that's your fault too), or if not all (but still some!) of an athlete's bans were deserved. The 100m is track's flagship event, and if a known doper wins it, and you have a problem with people's reaction, you're part of the problem. It's a big deal.

Disagreeman wrote:

they're all dirty wrote:

That's a good post.

I understand that, on an ethical level, Gatlin doesn't deserve the hatred towards him but I disagree that making him out as a villain is everything that's wrong with the sport. People love stories. They love plot lines. Look at the NBA. look how much news was made about Kevin Durant going to the Golden state warriors or Kyrie Irving wanting out of Cleveland. I would argue that making Gatlin out to be a villain actually helps the sport's popularity. As for Gatlin personally? I would guess he doesn't even care or actually I would guess that it drives him.

If that's case, where rivalries help the sport grow, I can't imagine you want the rivalry narrative based on clean vs. dirty. Because it's really just a who-got-caught vs. who-hasn't-been-caught-yet. With the prevalence of doping and the corruption of the sport, that narrative is so fragile. Look at the way cycling's popularity plummeted in the US and Germany in the fallout of their sporting heroes being turned out as dopers. Cycling as a sport is in a worse spot now than when it was, in these countries.

So I'll take this post to reiterate that the whole thing is messed up. Fan's can't pretend that today was a day in infamy for the sport, without closing their eyes and holding their ears to issues that will bring the sport down.

Umm I didn't give my opinion just stated the fact that he isn't very anti-doping despite trying to claim he was.

Screw it guys!! Everyone's doping so everyone's basically on an even playing field anyway!! Let's just enjoy the races before we get too negative about our sport

It's really simple. Bolt ran too slow and had a worse start than Gatlin. Bolt only ran 9.95 and Gatlin ran 9.92. 9.95 hasn't been enough to win in any of the earlier Olympic or WC finals Bolt has run.

I'm no fan of Gatlin, but after all of the years since the end of Gatlin's suspension 2010, I can't see any unfairness in him winning. It's a level playing field with Gatlin presumably being tested at least as much as Bolt since 2010. Both Bolt and Gatlin have been getting slower but today at least Bolt got slower than Gatlin (and isn't as good a starter and paid for it in this race).

scorpion_runner wrote:

rojo wrote:

Ok Gatlin did NOT look good in the first semi. Gatlin isn't going to win the final. No chance.

Heat 1 WIND -0.5 M/S

POS BIB ATHLETE MARK DETAIL REACTION TIME

1 1281 Akani SIMBINE RSA 10.05 Q 0.138

2 1395 Justin GATLIN USA 10.09 Q 0.152

3 790 Ben Youssef MEITÉ CIV 10.12 0.166

4 1083 Julian FORTE JAM 10.13 0.144

5 953 James DASAOLU GBR 10.22 0.145

6 1103 Aska CAMBRIDGE JPN 10.25 0.159

7 784 Zhenye XIE CHN 10.28 0.162

8 1153 Kukyoung KIM KOR 10.40 0.115

The BBC announcers are saying the US team management was downplaying Gatlin's chances before the race, saying he's changed too much this year and isn't confident.

Experience, bro. Gatlin always shows up. Always. He will medal. Make no doubt about it.

He keeps it in the tank.

what an easy prediction....form does not lie. He has the best sprinting form of all time. Usain Bolt has terrible form. He is just a freak of nature, but he is an awful sprinter. Once his athleticism left, that is all she wrote

Gatlin's form and intelligence carries him way past his prime

they're all dirty wrote:

Clerk wrote:

I love this.

Stadium audience is embarrassing themselves. BBC broadcasters are embarrassing themselves.

I'm more militant anti-doping than most, but good on Gatlin. I am convinced Bolt is dirty, like Gatlin, but good on him too.

But the audience and talking heads can fnck off. The hypocritical hero worship (keep in mind who is in the commentators' box...) that tries to build Gatlin as some villain is everything wrong with the sport.

That's a good post.

+2. Agree 👏🏾👊🏾

DidIReadthatright? wrote:

Artojas wrote:

Go look up WVN PB and SB at 100m. Think too, he would have won todays final.

The point is that he can't be training for the 400 AND also the 100. Sure he could've won the 100 today but his 400 would have taken a back seat.

My point is, that 400m runner could have won 100m today.

Clerk wrote:

I love this.

Stadium audience is embarrassing themselves. BBC broadcasters are embarrassing themselves.

I'm more militant anti-doping than most, but good on Gatlin. I am convinced Bolt is dirty, like Gatlin, but good on him too.

But the audience and talking heads can fnck off. The hypocritical hero worship (keep in mind who is in the commentators' box...) that tries to build Gatlin as some villain is everything wrong with the sport.

Oh please. We know now that steroids/testosterone based PEDs will have very long-term benefits for the athlete taking.

Not banning the man for life and also shortening the 8-year ban were both fraudulent moves. Everyone knows this.

Of course the crowd doesn't care for/hates previously caught cheats, because now they'll question the result. You may not ascribe to the "hero worship" side of sports, but many do. Caught dopers like Gatlin will not get a reprieve or support from most fans just because he's served his time (Like you think he should). He already betrayed the sport and ruined its image, and that lasts a lifetime.

Props to you for not letting nationalism override sense and evidence.

Skeptic_Ethiopian wrote:

Though I am very happy with Almaz's performance, I must say that reading the latest Guardian article on EPO in Ethiopia and how incredible Almaz's run was compared to the others, I just can't trust this 100%. Sad, because she might just be that much better than the rest, and I really want to believe that, but now I can't even support my countrymen and countrywomen with a clean conscious. Hope the Ethiopian Athletic federation will clean up the scene soon.

Artojas wrote:

DidIReadthatright? wrote:

The point is that he can't be training for the 400 AND also the 100. Sure he could've won the 100 today but his 400 would have taken a back seat.

My point is, that 400m runner could have won 100m today.

Really? After running two rounds like the other 100m sprinters?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Doping still exists because of all the butt hurt fans who can't bear to see an athlete booed. It's obviously a USA thing. Polite, positive Hayward snowflakes. The kayfabe that athletes are clean is all on you guys.

It doesn't matter that others are suspected dopers, or that not all dopers are booed (that's your fault too), or if not all (but still some!) of an athlete's bans were deserved. The 100m is track's flagship event, and if a known doper wins it, and you have a problem with people's reaction, you're part of the problem. It's a big deal.

When doping is finally made legal, we're going to look back at this era and wonder what these athletes really could have run if they weren't trying to hide things.