This is how deep is doping in Kenya

all the top athletes are dirty out,

not like doping in other places,

a manager/coach doping set up with no testin works

Why did Jeptoo take the EPO if she was already there?

Because somebody convinced her she could have advantages (and probably no risks) taking EPO, but this doesn't mean this was true.

Why all the best Kenyans runners DON'T take EPO for bettering their PB ? Only because they fear to be caught, or also because the most part of them doesn't believe they can have some advantage ?

The real question, about doping in Kenya, is another : WHY DO SO MANY ATHLETES OF MEDIUM LEVEL TAKE STEROIDS AS NANDROLONE OR SIMILAR ?

Because, from 4-5 years, there is some criminal organization cheating the less educated athletes, in order to have economical advantages (percentages of their prize money).

So, there is doping in Kenya during the last 5 years. This doping is only marginally connected with EPO, so the fact that Rita Jeptoo and Wilson Erupe took EPO doesn't demonstrate EPO works, and about all the other doped Kenyan athletes the substance is well different from erythropoietin.

The Sportsman of the Year 2015 goes to… Hajo Seppelt

Hajo Seppelt did more for the sport ethics and to reveal the true about doping that no one human being or any organization did in the last 50 years.

Despite some inaccuracy that might exist, Hajo Seppelt presents the 3 main aspects of the doping issue. One is DOPING TEST INEFFICIENCY that includes the inaccuracy of biological passport. The second is CORRUPTION that denies doping usage by undercover. The third is how UNFAIR IS DOPING PENALITY, related to others that used doping but weren´t detected.

In the past most of the world best performances in athletics, and in the distance runs eventually were done with doping aid and that continues in the present and will continue in the future, despite what some do imagine and what some others might think or express.

My only hope is that Hajo Seppelt that fight to reaveal the undercover doping that we might know the truth,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajo_Seppelt

Anyone who disputes the above data is either a moron or someone connected to the problem. I wouldn't was a second arguing with those people.

The only thing I will add is when the East Africans & Russians and Paula of course, realized there were way more fools with money in the marathon, the top runners moved from the track to the marathon or simply straight to the marathon after 2000 and of course all the marathon lists were re-written by EPO users. Again, if this isn't blatantly obvious, you are either a moron or you are connected to the sport and have a vested interest in keeping the status quo such as Canova.

António Cabral wrote:

In the past most of the world best performances in athletics, and in the distance runs eventually were done with doping aid and that continues in the present and will continue in the future, despite what some do imagine and what some others might think or express.

Just because you use drugs doesn't mean that others do the same, and removing my message doesn't change the fact that you're busting yourself.

A lot of this makes sense to me but I am not quite as cynical. I appreciate coach Canova sharing his thoughts on this site but I am skeptical of the idea that some Africans are not benefitting from PED use just as some runners from other countries are. Of course, it is hard to know who is dirty and who is not. I think there can be great performers and performances. I don't question the ability of talented runners to break 3:30, 13:00 and 27. However, the number of great performances raises questions. In the men's marathon, we suddenly have so many great times that a 2:06 is almost not worth mentioning. There can be a few factors but PEDs have to be considered.

Than Lombard? Because his performances are far superior, as well as career accomplishments.

The Champ wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Mourhit was certainly more talented, and a much better example of a top athlete.

Why do you think Mourhit was a more talented athlete?

Hey Antonio, why did you delete my post?

Not true that you have your athletes doing speed work in one of the most polluted streets in Lisbon? During rush hour!!!

Do you want me to take pictures to prove it?

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henry333 wrote:

Anyone who disputes the above data is either a moron or someone connected to the problem. I wouldn't was a second arguing with those people.

The only thing I will add is when the East Africans & Russians and Paula of course, realized there were way more fools with money in the marathon, the top runners moved from the track to the marathon or simply straight to the marathon after 2000 and of course all the marathon lists were re-written by EPO users. Again, if this isn't blatantly obvious, you are either a moron or you are connected to the sport and have a vested interest in keeping the status quo such as Canova.

I dispute it. And I'm one who has suffered financially from athletes doping. Not only that there were in fact two world bests at 2000m set in the 90s and not three, but that drugs were or are at the root of it all.

Some athletes who set records and win medals cheat. Some athletes who set records and win medals do not. Some of the surge in marathon performances can be credited to drugs, but certainly not all of it. There has been a massive shift in the availability of financial incentives from the track to the roads and the talent has followed. There are fewer fixtures on the summer circuit and those that remain lack the relative buying power those in the 90s had.

It seems that the premise here is that EPO fueled the surge in records until 2000, at which point EPO testing brought performances down. And yet you contend that it is in fact EPO that is the primary reason for the assault on the marathon records. But that doesn't make sense given your first point. If the testing is better, it's better for the marathon runners, as well.

I would also question the exclusion the 800m from discussion as well as limiting the metric to world records. None of the BALCO women were setting world records, but they were a filthy bunch. And then many excellent marks fall short of world records, but shouldn't be seen as insignificant because they come up just short.

Left Said Fred wrote:

I'm one who has suffered financially from athletes doping.

That is total BS.

Unless you're saying you drugged and they caused you to run slower.