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What happened to these guys? Are they still training? Will they be competing in any race in 2012?
Looking back, it sounds like this kind of training maybe should be ignored - who wants to train for 10 years and build a house just to become a one hit wonder?
DuncanFan wrote:
Looking back, it sounds like this kind of training maybe should be ignored - who wants to train for 10 years and build a house just to become a one hit wonder?
So which training system should they do? They've done more by year 10 than any current US runners.
Much better wrote:
So which training system should they do? They've done more by year 10 than any current US runners.
They ran about as fast as Ryan Hall for their HM PR's (59/60min) and Marathon (all three of them 2:04 PR).
So was there ever any consensus on this? Did Kibet really train low mileage, or was he running 25 miles per day? This thread is extremely confusing.
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I want Answers wrote:
So was there ever any consensus on this? Did Kibet really train low mileage, or was he running 25 miles per day? This thread is extremely confusing.
Seriously, it seems like if there were elite marathoners training at 80 miles per week that we'd be hearing more about it.
Triumph of Dignity wrote:
Seriously, it seems like if there were elite marathoners training at 80 miles per week that we'd be hearing more about it.
Or we would hear about it, and then shout it down because we didn't believe it.
Hmmm....
You don't need consensus. From the quote in the article:"he's [Kibet's] a SHOWMAN who claims ..."Whatever the claim is, it's part of the show.
I want Answers wrote:
So was there ever any consensus on this? Did Kibet really train low mileage, or was he running 25 miles per day? This thread is extremely confusing.
I don't think it's fair to say that it was "shouted down." It seems like there's conflicting evidence, so it's difficult to know what to believe. Are you saying that you think this is a valid/possible training method for elite marathoning?
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Triumph of Dignity wrote:Seriously, it seems like if there were elite marathoners training at 80 miles per week that we'd be hearing more about it.
Or we would hear about it, and then shout it down because we didn't believe it.
Hmmm....
Interesting - some now Berardelli's athletes are getting busted. Seems fairly conclusive that most of the 'new marathon' innovations are doping related.
I'm really surprised that the seminal 'something new in training' thread speaking specifically about an outed drug-coach is not of interest.
Rosa has gotten rid of Claudio Berardelli:
The former coach of banned marathon runner Rita Jeptoo has had his contract terminated by his employers after another Kenyan under his control failed a doping test.
Claudio Berardelli was no longer working for Italian athlete management company Rosa & Associati, director Federico Rosa told The Associated Press on Monday.
The MISCROS 60 machine didn't save him. Will Eunice stay w/Berardelli?
Canova Renato wrote:
For Kenyans, the altitude is fundamental. But, in my ideas, for marathon is not so important. When I was the Italian responsible, we used altitude till 40-50 days before the race in some case,till 3 weeks before in other cases. Altitude has a DIRECT effect in increasing the AEROBIC POWER, but in marathon this is not so important : our final goal is TO REDUCE THE CONSUMPTION OF FUEL AT THE MARATHON SPEED. So, altitude is very good till the period we use for increasing the Threshold (finishing about 50 days before the race), not for the last period.
But if you bring a Kenyan at sea level, his mind becomes weak, as he thinks to lose a lot of advantage.
The problem of Kenyans, in any case, is not the altitude, but the kind of courses we use. In Iten, for example, never is possible running on flat courses. Everything is up and down, and this situation, very good far from the marathon, becomes bad approaching the race, if we don't find some solution for running fast using almost flat courses. This means that, normally, the athletes hasto move for 80-100km for going to the only courses more flat that there are near Eldoret (Ziwa, Soy, Nangili etc.).
In the specific case of Boston, with Selina and Daniel we could stay in Iten or Kaptagat (Selina trains there), because we NEEDED this type of courses. The same happened in 2006 with Rita Jeptoo, preparing all the time in Iten.
So, the secret is to prepare in specific way a specific marathon. Rotterdam is not Boston. Osaka in August is not Berlin. If you think we use 4-5 months for preparing a marathon, you understand that the preparation must be SPECIFIC, because every marathon has different situation and the athletes must be ready for facing different kinds of problems.
In any case, the best Kenyan athletes are able to have a very high feeling with their "tank". Because here the control is difficult, since many training have to follow the sensation of the athletes, we need to teach them the relation between level of fatigue, type of training and effects.
Personally, I think that, if a top Kenyan could maintain his mental qualities (aggressivity, ability in suffering, high level of fatigue)training with more control in Europe, the WR could be under 2:02 in short time.
But if we move for one year a Kenyan to Europe, he cant be concentrated 100% for so long time. So, our training is a compromise between what is technically the best way, and what is possible REALLY to do.
Canova calling out a sub-2h02' Marathon WR almost 13 years ago...
hyla wrote:
Rosa has gotten rid of Claudio Berardelli:
The former coach of banned marathon runner Rita Jeptoo has had his contract terminated by his employers after another Kenyan under his control failed a doping test.
Claudio Berardelli was no longer working for Italian athlete management company Rosa & Associati, director Federico Rosa told The Associated Press on Monday.
The MISCROS 60 machine didn't save him. Will Eunice stay w/Berardelli?
That was a long time ago and I believe the young Italian guru, C.B., is back working in Kenya now. In fact, when I was in Eldoret in May I, was informed that Claudio was learning Swahili to better communicate with his athletes.
Renato, please give us an update
Ghost1 wrote:
That was a long time ago and I believe the young Italian guru, C.B., is back working in Kenya now. In fact, when I was in Eldoret in May I, was informed that Claudio was learning Swahili to better communicate with his athletes.
He works with marathon superagent Gianni Demadonna, and it's probably fair to say this is the best stable he's ever had. If Evans Chebet wins New York, that would put be 3/4 fall marathons for Demadonna/Berardelli athletes. Kipchoge would be the lone exception winning in Berlin.