It’s the “sufficient other results” where the sport starts treading into the wishy-washy drama. But at least you’re on record, now. And ‘nyupstate’ agrees with the old way, as I do, that meeting both the OlyStandard and finishing top 3, should be required. Whereas, you and Blank seem to think top three at the Trials is sufficient.
But you and Blank seem to be good if Sage Hurta and Cory McGee make the 5000m team, with Cranny, in a kicker’s final this summer, even if Tuohy came into the race with OlyStandard, while the other two did not. That would be a sentimental team, I guess.
It’s the “sufficient other results” where the sport starts treading into the wishy-washy drama. But at least you’re on record, now. And ‘nyupstate’ agrees with the old way, as I do, that meeting both the OlyStandard and finishing top 3, should be required. Whereas, you and Blank seem to think top three at the Trials is sufficient.
But you and Blank seem to be good if Sage Hurta and Cory McGee make the 5000m team, with Cranny, in a kicker’s final this summer, even if Tuohy came into the race with OlyStandard, while the other two did not. That would be a sentimental team, I guess.
In 2028, we could see Wiley doing the same.
like I said they know the rules, although I'm not sure how likely it is for Hurta-Klecker and McGee to have the standing to qualify without the standard. But if they do, smart by them, and dumb by those with standard, but not able to match the kick.
But more related to this thread, and it has been asked, if Tuohy can command the type of money mentioned above, why have Valby and/or Wiley done the same? They certainly have run the times.
It’s the “sufficient other results” where the sport starts treading into the wishy-washy drama. But at least you’re on record, now. And ‘nyupstate’ agrees with the old way, as I do, that meeting both the OlyStandard and finishing top 3, should be required. Whereas, you and Blank seem to think top three at the Trials is sufficient.
But you and Blank seem to be good if Sage Hurta and Cory McGee make the 5000m team, with Cranny, in a kicker’s final this summer, even if Tuohy came into the race with OlyStandard, while the other two did not. That would be a sentimental team, I guess.
In 2028, we could see Wiley doing the same.
The likelihood of that happening is zero so why worry about it? Anyone making top 3 will have to run the semi and the final. The 1500m runners will have rounds and maybe repechage.
The alternative is a scenario like what happened in the UK where the federation refused to send any runner without the time standard. WA changed the rules and made the standard harder on purpose so that does not seem fair.
It’s the “sufficient other results” where the sport starts treading into the wishy-washy drama. But at least you’re on record, now. And ‘nyupstate’ agrees with the old way, as I do, that meeting both the OlyStandard and finishing top 3, should be required. Whereas, you and Blank seem to think top three at the Trials is sufficient.
But you and Blank seem to be good if Sage Hurta and Cory McGee make the 5000m team, with Cranny, in a kicker’s final this summer, even if Tuohy came into the race with OlyStandard, while the other two did not. That would be a sentimental team, I guess.
In 2028, we could see Wiley doing the same.
if a runner with the standard is dumb enough to let a race with 1500 meter experts go to a sit and kick race with the Olympics on the line then they dont deserve to go. That kind of racer isn't going to do anything at a world event anyways with terrible tactics like that.
Why didn't Tuohy go pro before NIL? You made up every reason in the world then. Just go back and read the explanations and apply them to Valby and Wiley.
You were incorrect about Hunter's times. But you are incorrect quite often and then gloss over the issue and attempt to bulldoze your way to the next thing.
You were incorrect about Hunter's times. But you are incorrect quite often and then gloss over the issue and attempt to bulldoze your way to the next thing.
you are cluelss. I did not list Hunter's times. I listed several NCAA athlete's times
what? How is that even remotely the same thing? Centro was the best US runner that year, had the standard and won the US Trials which is what we are discussing.
Where did i say something shouldnt count? You dont make any sense.
The equivalent would be stating that a runner with objectively better times and performances that year like Asbel Kiprop ran a stupid race and didn't deserve to medal
"a sit and kick race with the Olympics on the line then they dont deserve to go. That kind of racer isn't going to do anything at a world event anyways with terrible tactics like that."
Sure thing. Centro didn't do anything in the Olympics by turning the race into a sit and kick. Terrible tactics.
I’m a valby fan and your over-confidence that valby will outkick her competitors is disappointing. Valby has a high respect for her competitors and does not take them lightly whether Lemngole, or Markezich or Touhy.
You do know that no collegiate has the 5k standard. Touhy and valby are in the same situation. See thread on valby and the world rankings, she has 8 runners to leapfrog before making the team. Sorry this comment is off topic.
You said something about Hunter's times not being fast enough to have won in the NCAA. His career would be identical to Tuohy's had he gone the NCAA route but he was smarter than that becuase he got rih instead.
"a sit and kick race with the Olympics on the line then they dont deserve to go. That kind of racer isn't going to do anything at a world event anyways with terrible tactics like that."
Sure thing. Centro didn't do anything in the Olympics by turning the race into a sit and kick. Terrible tactics.
We were discussing a 5k racer with the standard not getting top 3 and your counter example is a runner winning the gold medal? I said if you are a racer with the standard and you know there are better kickers in the race and you still let it go to a sit and kick race that is bad tactics. Centro in 2016 doesn't contradict anything i said.
I provided the Asbel Kiprop example from the same race as a proper example of a better runner losing to runners they should have beaten because they ran a stupid race.
You said something about Hunter's times not being fast enough to have won in the NCAA. His career would be identical to Tuohy's had he gone the NCAA route but he was smarter than that becuase he got rih instead.
Oh poopsie got their feelings hurt. Well the quote above is 100% false as my other post explained. But don't believe me. Look back at the posts.
You said something about Hunter's times not being fast enough to have won in the NCAA. His career would be identical to Tuohy's had he gone the NCAA route but he was smarter than that becuase he got rih instead.
Oh poopsie got their feelings hurt. Well the quote above is 100% false as my other post explained. But don't believe me. Look back at the posts.
Enjoying this thread.
No one has a strategy to not get the Olympic standards. Touhy tried to get world standard last year in CA, but only ran 15:03. If Hurta/Magee joined 5k field they'd seek the standard too, as their world points in 1500 are worthless in 5k.
The historical sit and kick races at Usatf often didn't make sense as long shots and runners without the standard just never were willing to lead and go for it. Heat was a factor, but mostly fear of rabbiting and failing.
Fortunately Monson actually likes an honest pace (and was helping Norris) and Valby really has no choice but to run from the front, so good chance 2024 Usatf is somewhat quick.
Touhy isn't running 1500s and 3000s as part of some conspiracy. Her 8:35 will come off the WA books anyway prior to trials, so she'll either need to do it again, or get the 5k standard. She ran the 3000 last year simply for an NCAA indoor qualifier, and she runs 1500s for fun and to work on speed for 5k. All the athletes know that 3000s count in the 5000 world rankings, so if they want to do that, they are free to go for it.
Touhy's contract value vs Wiley or Valby at this point is all about her hs and college performance over time. As long as she simply remains relevant as a pro, the linkage to the past is useful for a brand.
Valby still limited due to being new on the scene, but the cross training and photofriendliness sure help. With her Nike nil, it also just may be her call when she moves to the true pro route.
Wiley is currently held down by the ties to scandal and perhaps her own decision. She already has Olympic standard in 800 and 1500 and currently has the best chance of the 3 to make Paris.
Oh poopsie got their feelings hurt. Well the quote above is 100% false as my other post explained. But don't believe me. Look back at the posts.
Enjoying this thread.
No one has a strategy to not get the Olympic standards. Touhy tried to get world standard last year in CA, but only ran 15:03. If Hurta/Magee joined 5k field they'd seek the standard too, as their world points in 1500 are worthless in 5k.
The historical sit and kick races at Usatf often didn't make sense as long shots and runners without the standard just never were willing to lead and go for it. Heat was a factor, but mostly fear of rabbiting and failing.
Fortunately Monson actually likes an honest pace (and was helping Norris) and Valby really has no choice but to run from the front, so good chance 2024 Usatf is somewhat quick.
Touhy isn't running 1500s and 3000s as part of some conspiracy. Her 8:35 will come off the WA books anyway prior to trials, so she'll either need to do it again, or get the 5k standard. She ran the 3000 last year simply for an NCAA indoor qualifier, and she runs 1500s for fun and to work on speed for 5k. All the athletes know that 3000s count in the 5000 world rankings, so if they want to do that, they are free to go for it.
Touhy's contract value vs Wiley or Valby at this point is all about her hs and college performance over time. As long as she simply remains relevant as a pro, the linkage to the past is useful for a brand.
Valby still limited due to being new on the scene, but the cross training and photofriendliness sure help. With her Nike nil, it also just may be her call when she moves to the true pro route.
Wiley is currently held down by the ties to scandal and perhaps her own decision. She already has Olympic standard in 800 and 1500 and currently has the best chance of the 3 to make Paris.
Fortunately Monson actually likes an honest pace (and was helping Norris) and Valby really has no choice but to run from the front, so good chance 2024 Usatf is somewhat quick.
Monson should be focusing on herself, not some other runner ie Norris who has no chance in making any team. She gets her PRs from local races with no competitions ie time trials and has no clue how to run strategically in major competition ie both Trials she got a chance to enter. Getting slower with no hope