If male 14:00/29:00 type runners can run 2:08:00-2:10:00, and multitudes have done so, it is perfectly logical for a woman to run 2:11:53, with the same under distance credentials.
Not really an accurate comparison. There have been about 7 or 8 women who have run the 5k between 14:00 to 14:15.
There has only been one woman who has run the marathon between 2:11 to 2:13.
If your theory was correct, then there should have been a lot more women running in the 2:11 to 2:13 range by now.
No, because those women in the 14:00-14:15 range haven't been focusing on the marathon. If people like Hassan, Gidey, Taye, etc were to really focus on the marathon, we would see times in the 2:09:30-2:11:00 range for women. Remember that a woman is also different to a male, thanks to better fat burning capacity. In the past when we saw Joan Benoît (15:30/32:00) run 2:21:50, we knew that she was running with men in the 14:30-14:45/29:50-30:20 range.
In a few years when an Ethiopian woman runs 2:09:30, almost as fast as Bill Rodgers, people will continue the doping rumors, with zero substance.
Lance Armstrong said the same thing..for more than 5 years. Only to reveal later that "they were testing for drugs we were no longer taking. We were ahead of them, and they didn't know it."
Unlike you, I don't write everything I think I know in one post and nor am I interested in educating you to what you don't know or haven't read. There is nothing to be gained from trying to prove to the flat-earther they are wrong. Presenting the truth is sufficient - even though they - you - will never get it.
I don't put everything I know in my posts. The long ones are just because there are often so many things to debunk.
And don't sell yourself short. I think your posts already contain everything you know. You couldn't add anymore knowledge even if you were "interested in educating" me.
I just find your "truths" uncompelling because they are always missing any factual basis. It's not that I don't know something, but that you don't know it either, because it is just your imaginary embellishments loosely based on the "truth" -- not unlike flat-earthers who don't really understand the science they want to debunk.
For the record, I think the Greeks already proved the globe earth 2500 years ago, and Mulslim astronomers refined it 1000 years ago, before the West joined in -- your flat-earth references are falling flat.
If male 14:00/29:00 type runners can run 2:08:00-2:10:00, and multitudes have done so, it is perfectly logical for a woman to run 2:11:53, with the same under distance credentials.
With a PB of the HM of 1:07?
I'm not going to comment on whether or not I believe the 2:11:53 is legitimate or not but it's entirely possible that she wasn't going all out in that race, maybe was doing it as a workout, maybe she was having a really bad day. I Bill Rodgers' fastest 10,000 was 28:04 or :05. Bill Squires would have told you that time was nowhere near what BR would have run for the distance if he'd done it seriously and more frequently.
Even more than the past 40 years, Abebe Bikila won the marathon (olympic) twice in the 60's barefoot! Beating people from modern countries. Maybe E. Africans are just better at running mid-long distances. Get over it.
David Epstein in his book The Sports Gene talks to a Kenyan HS PE teacher who states how many of his students can run a certain time for 10k and Epstein notes that more HS boys at this one Kenya school can break certain 10k times that all American HS'ers ever have!
Sifan is Amsterdams best runner, Mo Ahmed is Canadas best runner, Mo Farah was Brittain's best runner, Yared Negusse is Americas best miler, Meb was one of Americas great marathoners, shall I keep going. These E. African immigrants running for western countries make up a tiny % of kids/young adults who compete at distance running in America etc, yet are greatly over represented at the top. If Sifan Hassan or Mo Farah grew up in Ethiopia or Somalia do you think they'd be the fastest in their school class? My guess is they would NOT be.
I think there's even MORE talent yet to come out of E. Africa and that it's the modern training, technology, diet, nutrition, data that is available in Western countries that is able to turn 95 percentiler's like Sifan and Mo Farah into world beaters. BUT!!! I think there is a good 5% or more who are living in E. Africa if not more, who are or would be MORE Talented than Sifan Hassan, Mo Farah, Meb Keflezgi, Mo Ahmed, Yared Negusse, etc etc etc.
Therefore where is the real advantage. Speculated doping? Or having all the tool of a modern, rich western society at your disposal.
What's better < 50 ml IV infusions of L-Carnitine or micro dosing EPO below the limit to fail the biological passport. Both probably get you 1.5% improvement. One's doping one's not.
comparing 10k times of kenyan hs kids to us hs kids is silly
The mods need to be more open about their bias on these threads, and delete all posts except those of rekrunner.
If they fully enforced their written guidelines, the mods would probablyl delete about 90% of your posts before banning you permanently, because they want to have a civil discussion forum.
Note they also deleted mine pointing out you don't know the difference between geography and geodesy.
The mods need to be more open about their bias on these threads, and delete all posts except those of rekrunner.
If they fully enforced their written guidelines, the mods would probablyl delete about 90% of your posts before banning you permanently, because they want to have a civil discussion forum.
Note they also deleted mine pointing out you don't know the difference between geography and geodesy.
You confuse civility with lying and obfuscation, your mainstay. But it is obviously approved of.
Unlike you, I don't write everything I think I know in one post and nor am I interested in educating you to what you don't know or haven't read. There is nothing to be gained from trying to prove to the flat-earther they are wrong. Presenting the truth is sufficient - even though they - you - will never get it.
I don't put everything I know in my posts. The long ones are just because there are often so many things to debunk.
And don't sell yourself short. I think your posts already contain everything you know. You couldn't add anymore knowledge even if you were "interested in educating" me.
I just find your "truths" uncompelling because they are always missing any factual basis. It's not that I don't know something, but that you don't know it either, because it is just your imaginary embellishments loosely based on the "truth" -- not unlike flat-earthers who don't really understand the science they want to debunk.
For the record, I think the Greeks already proved the globe earth 2500 years ago, and Mulslim astronomers refined it 1000 years ago, before the West joined in -- your flat-earth references are falling flat.
I can rely on you to take the reference to being a "flat-earther" literally when it is a reference to your views about doping, which are similarly completely detached from reality.
I don't put everything I know in my posts. The long ones are just because there are often so many things to debunk.
And don't sell yourself short. I think your posts already contain everything you know. You couldn't add anymore knowledge even if you were "interested in educating" me.
I just find your "truths" uncompelling because they are always missing any factual basis. It's not that I don't know something, but that you don't know it either, because it is just your imaginary embellishments loosely based on the "truth" -- not unlike flat-earthers who don't really understand the science they want to debunk.
For the record, I think the Greeks already proved the globe earth 2500 years ago, and Mulslim astronomers refined it 1000 years ago, before the West joined in -- your flat-earth references are falling flat.
I can rely on you to take the reference to being a "flat-earther" literally when it is a reference to your views about doping, which are similarly completely detached from reality.
You don't know the difference between grography and geodesy.
If they fully enforced their written guidelines, the mods would probablyl delete about 90% of your posts before banning you permanently, because they want to have a civil discussion forum.
Note they also deleted mine pointing out you don't know the difference between geography and geodesy.
You confuse civility with lying and obfuscation, your mainstay. But it is obviously approved of.
He is right. Every single day you break the "no insults" rule. You should have been banned years ago.
I can rely on you to take the reference to being a "flat-earther" literally when it is a reference to your views about doping, which are similarly completely detached from reality.
I can always rely on you to change the subject to hide your inability to support your many beliefs.
I don't have any special views about doping, but rather data and fact supported views about elite performance.
If they fully enforced their written guidelines, the mods would probablyl delete about 90% of your posts before banning you permanently, because they want to have a civil discussion forum.
Note they also deleted mine pointing out you don't know the difference between geography and geodesy.
You confuse civility with lying and obfuscation, your mainstay. But it is obviously approved of.
More baseless statements of faith detached from reality.