Ever driven M-Benz or Porsche? I'm not mentioning small batch cars. Tesla might be a "good" car in a very specific circumstances, but compared to GOOD cars it's a bad joke. Google what car people, enthusiasts, and mechanics say about Tesla. Obviously, you're doing some "car political propaganda" while not knowing or ignoring well established knowledge about cars.
Tesla is far ahead of Benz and Porsche.
Neither has built an EV that compares with Tesla. They are far behind.
And if it runs on gasoline, it is inferior by definition.
If Tesla is the 27th most reliablel car maker out of 28 brands, it is inferior by definition.
Consumer Reports rated the reliability of 28 car makers. Tesla was rated 2nd worst. It is by definition, junk.
Ever driven M-Benz or Porsche? I'm not mentioning small batch cars. Tesla might be a "good" car in a very specific circumstances, but compared to GOOD cars it's a bad joke. Google what car people, enthusiasts, and mechanics say about Tesla. Obviously, you're doing some "car political propaganda" while not knowing or ignoring well established knowledge about cars.
Tesla is far ahead of Benz and Porsche.
Neither has built an EV that compares with Tesla. They are far behind.
And if it runs on gasoline, it is inferior by definition.
If you say EV is better "by definition" you give away how little you know about cars and how dogmatic/political your approach is. Still, I recommend you drive some outdated Benz or terrible Porsche. For science.
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ALL cars? You gotta stop with the generalizations. Sheesh
Yes. All cars will have problems eventually. But in a gas car there are a lot more moving parts that can go bad.
Quality problems versus problems gotcha... It's funny I don't see many electric cars from the 60-00's driving around. But yeah electric cars have less problems.
ALL cars? You gotta stop with the generalizations. Sheesh
That is his go-to. Inflation under Biden goes from 1.7% to 9.1%. Fat Hurts - "All countries have high inflation." Supply chains problems in the US are severe and far-reaching. Fat Hurts - "All countries are having supply chain problems." Tesla ranks second lowest in reliablity." Fat Hurts - "All car makers have reliability problems." National debt in US is astronomical and really affecting the country. Fat Hurts - "All countries have high national debt"
That is his go-to. Inflation under Biden goes from 1.7% to 9.1%. Fat Hurts - "All countries have high inflation." Supply chains problems in the US are severe and far-reaching. Fat Hurts - "All countries are having supply chain problems." Tesla ranks second lowest in reliablity." Fat Hurts - "All car makers have reliability problems." National debt in US is astronomical and really affecting the country. Fat Hurts - "All countries have high national debt"
I never said any of that about inflation, supply chain, and debt. You are making stuff up.
But it is irrefutable that all cars need repairs at some point. Therefore, they all have reliability issues.
But as Consumer Reports has also shown, EVs cost a lot less to maintain than gas cars.
You said all cars have quality issues and not you're saying they all need repairs at some point. And they ALL have reliability issues? I dunno what kind of cars you be buying, but I haven't had any reliability issues with my car.
And those reports don't take into consideration the price difference of buying a used car versus a new electric. If you buy a reliable used gas car it's going to be cheaper to maintain than a new electric. The amount of problems I've heard with Teslas...
I never said any of that about inflation, supply chain, and debt. You are making stuff up.
But it is irrefutable that all cars need repairs at some point. Therefore, they all have reliability issues.
But as Consumer Reports has also shown, EVs cost a lot less to maintain than gas cars.
Actually no. I bought a Nissan Vehicle in 2007 and a Toyota in 2013 maybe. The Nissan I put 155,000 miles on it and paid exactly $300 for a wiring harness. That is all I spend for 155,000 miles. That is the total for repairs. The Toyota I have put about 75,000 miles on it. I have spent $300 on repairs (to remove the engine immobolizer). So for 230,000 miles I put on my cars I spent $600 TOTAL on repairs in roughly 16 years. Can you beat that?
HAHA owned.
Pretty impressive. Sounds about how much I spend on repairs on my car. Hey "Fat hurts" you need some car recommendations?
Actually no. I bought a Nissan Vehicle in 2007 and a Toyota in 2013 maybe. The Nissan I put 155,000 miles on it and paid exactly $300 for a wiring harness. That is all I spend for 155,000 miles. That is the total for repairs. The Toyota I have put about 75,000 miles on it. I have spent $300 on repairs (to remove the engine immobolizer). So for 230,000 miles I put on my cars I spent $600 TOTAL on repairs in roughly 16 years. Can you beat that?
Do you expect anyone to believe that? You didn't change tires or oil. You didn't change the timing belt. The fuel pump and alternator were fine the whole time. You never changed the battery. You didn't change the cabin air filter or the a/c resistor. You didn't change the windshield wipers. ... Come on.
Minus the oil and tires and given the years of his vehicles, I believe him.
Oil changes are routine maintenance issues. I paid for those every 6,000 miles. Never changed the timing belt. I had a CVT so it never seemed to need changing. The tires I got 90,000 rated tires but I am not considering tire cost into the equation. Never had an issue with the fuel pump or alternator. Of course I changed the battery. But what is funny is that Wal Mart had a policy that if your battery went out within 2 or 3 years they would give you a free one for free. So for like 12 years I always got a free battery. I changed the cabin air filter once. The wipers - yes once - but you are talking $15 and Auto zone does it for free. I do need to change the air filter.
You didn't have the transmission serviced either? And oil changes count. Any service a gas car needs that an EV does not counts.
If you want to be a little more credible, tell us the make/model/year of those cars so we can see the recommended maintenance schedule.
Nit picking on him having a reliable car? This guy.
I already said that I haven't. But I know enough about both to say that Tesla is ahead overall.
I’ve driven both quite a bit. The Mach-e is a much better car than any Tesla model. No comparison. I have two friends who have Teslas and after driving my mach-e have placed orders for one. They’re going to sell their Teslas when they come in.
You didn't have the transmission serviced either? And oil changes count. Any service a gas car needs that an EV does not counts.
If you want to be a little more credible, tell us the make/model/year of those cars so we can see the recommended maintenance schedule.
Nit picking on him having a reliable car? This guy.
All I can say is that Fat Hurts needs to look into RockAuto and some youtube videos. I've been fixing my own cars for over 30 years, and I laugh at those charts which purport to show the "total cost of ownership" of a vehicle. Maybe someone is paying that much, but not me. I recently replaced all of the major components in my A/C system (minus the evaporator) for under $400. I don't know if you could get your brake pads changed for less than that at the dealership.
My main concern about future generations of vehicles is that the "right to repair" is retained. From what I understand, it is extremely difficult to get parts and technical information from Tesla. Perhaps when things become more mainstream, this will change.
Nit picking on him having a reliable car? This guy.
All I can say is that Fat Hurts needs to look into RockAuto and some youtube videos. I've been fixing my own cars for over 30 years, and I laugh at those charts which purport to show the "total cost of ownership" of a vehicle. Maybe someone is paying that much, but not me. I recently replaced all of the major components in my A/C system (minus the evaporator) for under $400. I don't know if you could get your brake pads changed for less than that at the dealership.
My main concern about future generations of vehicles is that the "right to repair" is retained. From what I understand, it is extremely difficult to get parts and technical information from Tesla. Perhaps when things become more mainstream, this will change.
Agreed. Car guys unite haha.
When it comes to the average person "Fat Hurts" is right. But if you actually know cars or take the time to research which ones are good you'll save money.
Also something no one ever talks about how much the amount of cars being produced is what kills the environment and contributes to "global warming". Everyone leases their car and since it's electric it's good for the environment and then gets another one in two years. #hypocrites
Agreed. Manufacturing a car sends quite a lot of emissions into the air. From a website called Hotcars.com:
Thus, producing a medium-sized new car costing £24,000 could lock in more than 17 tons of CO2e – almost as much as three years' worth of gas and electricity in the typical UK home. Under these circumstances, the truth would appear to be that, unless you do very high mileage or have a real gas-guzzler, it generally makes sense to keep your old car for as long as it is reliable – and to look after it carefully to extend its life as long as possible. If you make a car last to 200,000 miles rather than 100,000, then the emissions for each mile the car does in its lifetime may drop by as much as 50 percent, as a result of getting more distance out of the initial manufacturing emissions.
Agreed. Manufacturing a car sends quite a lot of emissions into the air. From a website called Hotcars.com:
Thus, producing a medium-sized new car costing £24,000 could lock in more than 17 tons of CO2e – almost as much as three years' worth of gas and electricity in the typical UK home. Under these circumstances, the truth would appear to be that, unless you do very high mileage or have a real gas-guzzler, it generally makes sense to keep your old car for as long as it is reliable – and to look after it carefully to extend its life as long as possible. If you make a car last to 200,000 miles rather than 100,000, then the emissions for each mile the car does in its lifetime may drop by as much as 50 percent, as a result of getting more distance out of the initial manufacturing emissions.
Agreed. Manufacturing a car sends quite a lot of emissions into the air. From a website called Hotcars.com:
Thus, producing a medium-sized new car costing £24,000 could lock in more than 17 tons of CO2e – almost as much as three years' worth of gas and electricity in the typical UK home. Under these circumstances, the truth would appear to be that, unless you do very high mileage or have a real gas-guzzler, it generally makes sense to keep your old car for as long as it is reliable – and to look after it carefully to extend its life as long as possible. If you make a car last to 200,000 miles rather than 100,000, then the emissions for each mile the car does in its lifetime may drop by as much as 50 percent, as a result of getting more distance out of the initial manufacturing emissions.
Good find. End thread.
Congratulations on winning the thread?
I'm not really clear though how it addresses, never mind answers, the thread topic. As a reminder, the topic has to do why it might be necessary to regulate the types of newly manufactured cars that can be sold after a particular date rather than relying on the "free market" to produce the same outcome.
I'd kind of expect the answer might involve some discussion of commons problems and externalized costs before the mike drop.
Neither has built an EV that compares with Tesla. They are far behind.
And if it runs on gasoline, it is inferior by definition.
If you say EV is better "by definition" you give away how little you know about cars and how dogmatic/political your approach is. Still, I recommend you drive some outdated Benz or terrible Porsche. For science.
Any way you look at it, a gas powered car is inferior to an EV. The only advantage a gas car has is that it saves you a little time on really long road trips. For everything else you want a car to do, the EV does it better than the gas car.
Agreed. Manufacturing a car sends quite a lot of emissions into the air. From a website called Hotcars.com:
Thus, producing a medium-sized new car costing £24,000 could lock in more than 17 tons of CO2e – almost as much as three years' worth of gas and electricity in the typical UK home. Under these circumstances, the truth would appear to be that, unless you do very high mileage or have a real gas-guzzler, it generally makes sense to keep your old car for as long as it is reliable – and to look after it carefully to extend its life as long as possible. If you make a car last to 200,000 miles rather than 100,000, then the emissions for each mile the car does in its lifetime may drop by as much as 50 percent, as a result of getting more distance out of the initial manufacturing emissions.
Good find. End thread.
Why would that end the thread? It has nothing to do with the ban on new sales of gas cars. All it means is that to decrease emissions you should drive your old gas car as long as possible before you switch to an EV. That fact was already covered several pages ago.