Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

PutinWarCriminal wrote:

Lollys Master wrote:

The 47.2 states "help and support", but does not specify if it has to be done through military means or anything else, which is for each country to decide themselves. Austria sent FFP2 masks to Ukraine to show support. If Russia was crazy enough to nuke Sweden and Finland, Ursula von der Leyen would call Biden first to find out what to do. So much for EU and its mutual defense.

1. Ukraine is not in the EU. So, Austria was willing to send aid even when not obligated.
2. Every (English language) source I can find says Article 47.2:
   "If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power..." While you are correct that it doesn't say they have to send military aid in response (though if it's within their power, they may have an obligation to do so), I don't know if Russia wants to find out what "all means" means.

Link:ecfr.eu/article/commentary_article_427...

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Lollys Master wrote:

So the chinese should have done something about it then. Or did they ask the US to nuke Japan?

One thing I know about the US, it doesn't do anything for others, unless there is a carefully pre-calculated benefit as a result. The only reason the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki is retribution for Pearl Harbor and, more importantly, to demonstrate incredible military power and willingness to kill in hundreds of thousands if needed.

I'm sure every country in the world gained some fear and respect towards the US after that. It probably established the US as a leading military power of the world and legitimized involvement and policing in many military conflicts to come.

The US government could not give two s*its about Chinese children. It doesn't even care about their own, within its own borders, otherwise guns would be banned in order to stop school shootings.

The US killed more people firebombing Japanese cities than they killed in the atomic bombings....

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with WW2.

The US became a global super power after WW2 because the war unlocked out manufacturing potential and we were the only developed nation on earth whose homeland was untouched by the war.

School shootings are caused by terrible parents not guns...

Lollys Master wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

The US killed more people firebombing Japanese cities than they killed in the atomic bombings....

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with WW2.

The US became a global super power after WW2 because the war unlocked out manufacturing potential and we were the only developed nation on earth whose homeland was untouched by the war.

School shootings are caused by terrible parents not guns...

You have absolutely no idea about Ukraine and yet here you are, talking. Point here being not what and how was bombed, but, that the US is very comfortable with dead civilians in big numbers unless they're killed by Russia.

The US looted Germany, took gold and tech, to "unlock the manufacturing potential", you're speaking of.

Also, I have never seen a terrible parent make their child shoot someone with a finger. There are a lot of terrible parents in Europe, yet no school shootings. Proves my point - you trully do not care about children.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Lollys Master wrote:

You have absolutely no idea about Ukraine and yet here you are, talking. Point here being not what and how was bombed, but, that the US is very comfortable with dead civilians in big numbers unless they're killed by Russia.

The US looted Germany, took gold and tech, to "unlock the manufacturing potential", you're speaking of.

Also, I have never seen a terrible parent make their child shoot someone with a finger. There are a lot of terrible parents in Europe, yet no school shootings. Proves my point - you trully do not care about children.

I know more about Ukraine than most people here. The average LR poster didn't know Ukraine existed 2 months ago.

I've never disputed your take on US wars in the 21st century. You're wrong about Japan.

You have to be a moron to think kids just wake up one day find a gun and decide to shoot up the school. It takes YEARS of neglect and terrible parenting to turn a kid into a murderer. School shootings are VERY VERY rare despite what the media tells you. More kids are killed in Chicago, Detroit, and St; Louis every single year than have been killed in school shootings in all of US history.

Lollys Master wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

I know more about Ukraine than most people here. The average LR poster didn't know Ukraine existed 2 months ago.

I've never disputed your take on US wars in the 21st century. You're wrong about Japan.

You have to be a moron to think kids just wake up one day find a gun and decide to shoot up the school. It takes YEARS of neglect and terrible parenting to turn a kid into a murderer. School shootings are VERY VERY rare despite what the media tells you. More kids are killed in Chicago, Detroit, and St; Louis every single year than have been killed in school shootings in all of US history.

Ok, let this be. You know enough about Ukraine and I am wrong about Japan.

I strongly disagree about guns though. Years of neglect and terrible parenting in Europe leads to the kid dropping out of school, but in no way to a school shooting. If you take away guns from Russians and Ukrainians, there would be a huge fist fight, after which they would get loaded on Vodka and that's it. Guns kill people and as long as there are multibillion companies making a fortune on war and violence, there will never be peace, whether in Ukraine, or Syria, or the US.

PutinWarCriminal wrote:

Lollys Master wrote:

1. Neither do you.

2. Neither can you.

1. Seriously? I assure you fully understand what plagiarize means. I've posted the definition in this thread. TWICE. Carmine plagiarizes repeatedly, calls it copy and paste, and denies that it's a problem. I mean, he literally said, "Copying and pasting on Letsrun forum is not plagiarizing." That's the effin' definition of plagiarizing. When this is pointed out, he claims that other people don't understand what plagiarizing is. So, since I've provided evidence that carmine doesn't know what the word plagiarize means, could you please provide some evidence that I do not as you claim in the post I've quoted?
2. I'm not the one that claimed it did (note, it doesn't). Carmine spent three pages insisting it did by repeatedly posting the same text that he copied but didn't understand.

Both of these examples demonstrate the problem with everything that carmine posts. He doesn't understand it (because he plagiarized it). He then tries to draw conclusions from the material that he plagiarized, but doesn't understand. These conclusions are invariably wrong because he misinterpreted the material he stole. When the issues with his conclusions are pointed out, he doubles down instead of accepting that he may be wrong. Repeat ad nauseam.

Carmine has now started to argue against facts (like the definition of common words). That's a pretty sure sign that he's gone full-on X-files conspiracy theory nutjob.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Lollys Master wrote:

Ok, let this be. You know enough about Ukraine and I am wrong about Japan.

I strongly disagree about guns though. Years of neglect and terrible parenting in Europe leads to the kid dropping out of school, but in no way to a school shooting. If you take away guns from Russians and Ukrainians, there would be a huge fist fight, after which they would get loaded on Vodka and that's it. Guns kill people and as long as there are multibillion companies making a fortune on war and violence, there will never be peace, whether in Ukraine, or Syria, or the US.

It's utopian nonsense to pretend you can disarm the world. Laws only work when there's men with guns to enforce them. Anyone who trusts government to always do the right thing is a fool. The right to bear arms is the only reason Ukraine isn't conquered right now.

Lollys Master wrote:

PutinWarCriminal wrote:

1. Seriously? I assure you fully understand what plagiarize means. I've posted the definition in this thread. TWICE. Carmine plagiarizes repeatedly, calls it copy and paste, and denies that it's a problem. I mean, he literally said, "Copying and pasting on Letsrun forum is not plagiarizing." That's the effin' definition of plagiarizing. When this is pointed out, he claims that other people don't understand what plagiarizing is. So, since I've provided evidence that carmine doesn't know what the word plagiarize means, could you please provide some evidence that I do not as you claim in the post I've quoted?
2. I'm not the one that claimed it did (note, it doesn't). Carmine spent three pages insisting it did by repeatedly posting the same text that he copied but didn't understand.

Both of these examples demonstrate the problem with everything that carmine posts. He doesn't understand it (because he plagiarized it). He then tries to draw conclusions from the material that he plagiarized, but doesn't understand. These conclusions are invariably wrong because he misinterpreted the material he stole. When the issues with his conclusions are pointed out, he doubles down instead of accepting that he may be wrong. Repeat ad nauseam.

Carmine has now started to argue against facts (like the definition of common words). That's a pretty sure sign that he's gone full-on X-files conspiracy theory nutjob.

Why do you care so much and why it does it bother you so much though? Just open a cold drink and chill. Because of people like carmine, you have an engaging activity and a good mental exercise. I wrote my points not to insult you or doubt your capabilities, but quite the opposite, to engage in a mental exercise and to tear down boundaries of the mind, imposed on us by our social systems. You think he is plagiarizing, he thinks he isn't, all a matter of perspective. Either way you will never see him in real life and none of this really matters.