First transgender athlete June Eastwood to compete in women’s DI XC this fall, has pbs of 1:55/3:50/14:38

also hat tip to TrackGirl and the rest of the trolls for continuously editing the title of this thread. just another way the trans exclusionists shift the vocabulary to their side to dox and harass anyone who disagrees with them.

What difference does it make if her post transition performances are equal to those of a natal female of the same ability?

DMX wrote:

girls and women aren't griping this. i haven't found a single D1 female runner in opposition to transgender competition (assuming they have female levels of test + estrogen) while i have seen many in support.

They must not be comfortable telling you how they really feel.

I'd guess that the majority of women do NOT support this but are afraid of speaking out. I haven't met a single D1 female runner who thinks this is fair and I come in contact with several daily.

Bingo! And anyone who interprets women's smiles, silence and seeming support as evidence that most or all of us are "fine with this" as another poster said doesn't know much about females and how we're socialized. Girls and women hide the truth of what we're really thinking and feeling all the time.

But guess there always will be guys that take women's smiles, seeming acquiescence and nice words at face value.

Dijon Gebremustard wrote:

the fact that you include "Aron Taylor" in this list is amazing and it also shows how you've fallen for a disinformation campaign from the website you linked. Aron Taylor, a 3:42 marathoner. my afab coach is actually fat and runs faster than that.

The point about Aron Taylor I find "amazing" is not his time - which as you note a lot of runners can beat. It's that the marathon he won as a woman was the first race he as a newbie runner had ever entered!

in case you weren't aware, actual women will tell you how they actually feel and not hide their honest feelings because they're afraid of offending your fragile masculinity. funny how you guys are fine with lying about this but can't name even one of these mythical women that you claim to have honest relationships with, maybe because your argument doesn't hold water and isn't actually believed by the primary stakeholders in the debate. yet on the other side, many female athletes have come out in support, speaking with their words and under their actual names, despite being subject to vicious doxxing and harassment from trans exclusionists like yourself.

RunRagged, if your time for the marathon starts with a "3", man or woman, debut or otherwise, you should quit running forever and find another hobby immediately. picking on random hobby joggers does not change this fact. may i point you to the Official LetsRun.Com 26.2 Sticker:

RunRagged wrote:

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

For those actually trying to understand this, you might find the chart below interesting. Based on what it says about fat redistribution, I could see how a three year sit-out period could end up being adopted with medical records proving estrogen/testosterone/etc are and have been in line with normal female values.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B2zaJwLwkv4/V2TWjBlCTcI/AAAAAAAAKkQ/538U3tu4OwIxb_ChawOZ2D7S-F2R6pI1gCLcB/s1600/hrt%2Btimeline2.bmp

I clicked on your chart to find no author or source is given. So there's no way to tell where or who it's from or how valid - or not - it might be.

I can't find it other, but it seems to be referenced often online. It would be interesting to see the study or group of studies where this came from. My point in posting it though was to show the current IAAF ruling of being on hormones that reduce the testosterone to 5nmol or lower for 12 months is likely not long enough and definitely not a low enough testosterone level.

RunRagged wrote:

Bingo! And anyone who interprets women's smiles, silence and seeming support as evidence that most or all of us are "fine with this" as another poster said doesn't know much about females and how we're socialized. Girls and women hide the truth of what we're really thinking and feeling all the time.

But guess there always will be guys that take women's smiles, seeming acquiescence and nice words at face value.

When society is only able gauge public opinion on things like polling or people speaking up, then staying quiet is a foolish course of action.

I’ll offer this up though, if you are afraid to say what you think because you worry people will think you’re a bigot, it’s probably not something you should think.

Seems like the liberals have unleashed their trolls.

Stay classy, Kevin. Maybe "the guy posting as if he’s a female" is a transgender?

Maybe we should ask Emma Kertesz what she thinks about this issue?

Aron has stolen a marathon victory from a woman. He is an amazing example why it's wrong to allow these cheaters to compete with women.

And he is very close to a BQ, meaning he will steal a spot from a woman.

Are you kidding me? There is huge pressure on women to shut up about this issue. We receive death threats when we dare to speak out about men replacing us.

See for example all the hateful comments under this video:

Why should we try to understand their delusions?

Why should we honor these transgenders for their "courage", while Rachel Dolezal was made an outcast because she is transracial?

What it is the difference between identifying as another sex and identifying as another race?

Nice cherry picking. A couple bites:

Not liberal at all actually. More of an independent but that’s for the wide brush.

Not sure what Emma has to think about it. She’s welcome to her opinions. If your point is to bring up her name to somehow embarrass me you’re way off the mark and doing her no favors either. All it does is make you look like a douchebag. I have no issue with her. But yeah...stay classy.

I’m not even going to entertain your last question. If you don’t see the difference then that’s on you. I don’t judge people for their beliefs. I only judge people on how they treat others, particularly how they treat people who aren’t around to protect or defend themselves.

Your pointed comments are only serving to show your colors. Too bad you don’t have the class to leave your real name but that’s on you “TrackGirl”.

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

For those actually trying to understand this, you might find the chart below interesting. Based on what it says about fat redistribution, I could see how a three year sit-out period could end up being adopted with medical records proving estrogen/testosterone/etc are and have been in line with normal female values.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B2zaJwLwkv4/V2TWjBlCTcI/AAAAAAAAKkQ/538U3tu4OwIxb_ChawOZ2D7S-F2R6pI1gCLcB/s1600/hrt%2Btimeline2.bmp

This is a joke. Go read the prior posts and you will see the evidence of a male trying to transgender to a female has an unfair advantage,

not a lib in a million years, but keep projecting friend. in case you weren't aware, the "gender critical" "liberals" (read: terf pseudo-intellectuals) are the ones who most staunchly oppose trans exclusion. the far right is less of a concern because this issue is so fleeting for them that it'll be forgotten as soon as the Daily Stormer publishes a new thing to get faux-outraged about.

Funny how the trans exclusionists all of a sudden want to be champions of trans rights when the issue at hand is "being a snowflake".

wow! i am astounded that on this very website someone is giving more than one single d a m n about a three hour marathoner. quite frankly, thinking any longer about this HOBBY JOGGER is making me slower as we speak. please for your own sake and those around you, TrackGirl, quit the sport immediately if you ever suspect that you will run a marathon that starts with a "3". if you are running eight minute mile pace for a "race" you are consuming the Earth's precious energy that could be much better spent by any other poster on this website. i say this speaking for men, women, and all those who lie in between.

classic example of totally misunderstanding the climate here. here, let me link the article of trans advocate and female athlete Chloe Vieira getting doxxed and harassed using photos from her private facebook out in the public for all to see again:

TrackGirl, will you in no uncertain terms condemn the doxxing and harassment in this article and others by your ideological buddies, designed to successfully shift the Overton window even further in your favor than it already was? especially as while i have provided a concrete example, you have never provided any examples of trans exclusionists getting doxxed because they don't exist and it is a way of deflecting your attack on the other side.

if you are truly the type of person that gets offended by your video link, at least it's reassuring to know that i am speaking with a literal snowflake who cries about youtube comments and gets offended on behalf of three hour marathoners missing out on their precious BQs to transgender athletes (excepting that the singular performance you mention, and your best example of a transgender distance athlete, wasn't even a BQ).

nobody should be an outcast, even trans exclusionists with hate for women and humanity in their hearts like yourself. the fact that you harken back to the "good ole days" when we segregated sport by race is fitting because those segregationists would be pouncing at the chance to come to your support today.

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

Uhhhh. Yeah. How do you think they test drugs???? Apparently you don’t live in NYC or LA. You can get paid to take drugs that have adverse side affects.

Do any of the people who ingest anything short of cyanide for $bucks run 15:00 for 5K?

You are making assumptions. Your post mean nothing. I would like to hear from the athletes themselves or parents what they think about a male in the female locker room.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

Uhhhh. Yeah. How do you think they test drugs???? Apparently you don’t live in NYC or LA. You can get paid to take drugs that have adverse side affects.

Do any of the people who ingest anything short of cyanide for $bucks run 15:00 for 5K?

Birth control = cyanide? Not to stray too far off the mark. The side effects from taking the pill would be shrinking of the restocked, breast enlargement and low libido. Not to be obvious but men also produce estrogen. As a matter of fact male bodybuilders take estrogen blockers.

Drug trials for COPD and other ailments have far worse side effects. People get paid to take them.

Now back to the main discussion.

^^ testicles^*

it's not the "female locker room", it's the "women's locker room". even my tone-deaf high school labeled it that way because the word "female locker room" sounds like it comes straight from the anti-second-wave feminism reactionary wordbook. and guess what, polls show that more often than not it's the men who oppose transgender people going pee pee in their appropriate bathroom while women support it at a greater rate than men.

likewise, unless you are that dude that creeps in women's locker rooms, whichever bathroom June Eastwood uses does not affect you in any way and certainly does not affect her athletic eligibility. crazy how often people like you get offended on behalf of other people when there's no meat to the issue at hand. it truly is PC outrage culture run amok.

Testosterone-suppression and estrogen pills are red herrings.

He knows very well that the NCAA doesn't perform testosterone tests, so it can't be verified that he even takes these pills and it doesn't matter anyway.

Jonathan can take all the drugs in the world, his heart and lungs will still be larger than those of women, his bones will be stronger... He has enjoyed for 22 years the benefits of living in a male body, there is no way to ever erase this, let alone in a couple of months.

I was discussing this topic with my wife last night and she called it the ultimate act of misogyny: eradicating women from sports.

you do realize that having larger, heavier organs and denser bones makes you slower in distance running, right? men are faster than women for one reason, and it's not the "bone density" total bull -- it's *testosterone*. and guess what, not only is June taking testosterone suppression pills, she's also taking estrogen pills to the point where they have severely affected her training, per the running logs, and mark my words that once more information comes out on this case and once the NCAA actually gets a brain and implements specific T & E limits and checks (it will happen this year if you people don't get your way), it will be revealed that her testosterone is within the normal range for a woman.

and no, she won't be spitting 14 minute 5Ks, she will run similar age & gender-graded times to what she ran as a man. her current training shows that she's in low 17 minute 5K shape at best:

Thursday, 6/28/2018 Afternoon Normal Run [ Top ]

Workout Data:

Total distance 6.5 Miles in 49:35 [7:37 per mile]

Comments Felt kinda tired - might be sleep related. Started second transition medication. :)

Friday, 6/8/2018 Afternoon Easy Run [ Top ]

Workout Data:

Total distance 4.5 Miles in 32:01 [7:06 per mile]

Comments Exhausted - I think it has something to do with the medication.

Monday, 9/17/2018 Afternoon Easy Run [ Top ]

Workout Data:

Total distance 6.83 Miles in 1:02:03 [9:05 per mile]

Comments Felt tired pretty much the whole run - eyes couldn’t even completely focus. Potentially from a lot of different reasons - food, water, sleep, maybe hormone changes. On the bright side, no foot pain.

Tuesday, 12/18/2018 Afternoon Interval Workout [ Top ]

Workout Data:

Total distance 7 Miles

Comments 2mi WU

3x(800 | 400 |400)

(2:45 | 77 | 75)

(2:40 | 75 | 76)

(2:44 | 77 | 78)

2mi CD

Notes: Got to run on the outdoor track ??Took a few reps to get fully warmed up, but felt good through the middle set, and even got warm enough to just go in a sports bra! Felt a bit tired on the tail end, but didn’t fall off too bad. Sore on the cool down home, but feeling pretty good overall about this workout!

Mike Rozzi, i'm sorry that your wife feels the need to lie to you because she gets relentlessly cucked by other stronger men who she confides in. there is still hope though, maybe if you started telling the truth to her she would have a change of heart.

This is simply pure bs and short-sighted/incompetent regulation of the sport. There is a reason for a division of men and womens sports, it can't be determined by how athletes identify themselves.