Asbel Kiprop speaks to BBC: "The truth will come out and it will clear my name." Calls for dopers to be jailed.

Just Amazed wrote:

Watch out bro. wrote:

You're right, but just to make sure a $32 bribe is usually added insurance, if I was those two collectors I would be watching my back very carefully from now on.

Seriously?...it's that bad over there? These two collectors now have a target on them?

Yes, yes and yes. Remember, Kiprop was a pretend policeman, more of a police PR/marketing man really, so he would have friends in the force at all levels, and the Kenyan police are not exactly known for being incorruptible and squeaky clean.

Who's your friend? Looks to me like a conclusion based on a proposed dependency, itself based on unproven assumptions and ignoring other context.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

The world record for 1500m is just days off turning twenty years old. If that was set by natural talent alone from a pool of clean runners, then with conditioning improvements, training & technique refinements, special carb drinks, lighter & less restrictive clothing, and faster spikes then the record should resemble some of Venti's historical adjustments he accredited to Ryun by now (3:24.5-3:25.5). So obviously the record is dirty, but I'll wait for my friend to explain this one ?

rekrunner wrote:

Who's your friend? Looks to me like a conclusion based on a proposed dependency, itself based on unproven assumptions and ignoring other context.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

The world record for 1500m is just days off turning twenty years old. If that was set by natural talent alone from a pool of clean runners, then with conditioning improvements, training & technique refinements, special carb drinks, lighter & less restrictive clothing, and faster spikes then the record should resemble some of Venti's historical adjustments he accredited to Ryun by now (3:24.5-3:25.5). So obviously the record is dirty, but I'll wait for my friend to explain this one ?

that was prob one of the most vague blahs i have mistakenly read.

wish it would just stop, its like a wisdom tooth that should have been pulled 3 yrs ago

Kenyan police like their tea money too. wrote:

Just Amazed wrote:

Seriously?...it's that bad over there? These two collectors now have a target on them?

Yes, yes and yes. Remember, Kiprop was a pretend policeman, more of a police PR/marketing man really, so he would have friends in the force at all levels, and the Kenyan police are not exactly known for being incorruptible and squeaky clean.

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Kenya-Police-tops-corruption-list/1056-4359964-sc80d3z/index.html

Turns out the Kenya Police don't have a monopoly on corruption. Lord, these guys make the KP look like kindergarten.

yes we get it el K, you hate america with a passion and you hate your own white skin.....cool man, nice liberalized white guilt

so while your on this rant about comparing things, just remember baltimore, like chicago and detroit are ALL liberal run cities, where the millennial's like yourself who are white are ashamed and filled with guilt.

now to not let you side track hijack this thread say like one ex pat living in europe, not UK or monaco mind you.....lets get back to what is being discussed and how its RELATED to the topic

$32 bribe.....or tea whatever...kenya being corrupt, and full of deceit and lies from the top to the bottom, that you keep acting like doesnt exist. just like kenyan doping, kenyan POLICE corruption is pretty bad...and kiprop is one of them lolz

here is a link that you might hate to read, but thats the problem with people like you....the truth hurts so bad you will instead turn to personal insults and try to change the topic to.....baltimore

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-23/police-officers-treat-nairobi-neighborhood-atm-machine-residents-say

since you and the name we cant say wont read this, check this quote

“They did a survey the other day about young people and the majority are saying, if they had got a chance to be corrupt, they’d be corrupt,” Mwangi says. “In a country of shortcuts, where there are no national values, then everyone wants to become a thief.”

this is a LOCAL in kenya, not you el k who just "knows" about kenya....this is a guy who was raised in nairobi.

read that again OUTLOUD

]“In a country of shortcuts, where there are no national values, then everyone wants to become a thief.”

shortcuts? so lets say renato is correct and all EPO is, is a shortcut....then it goes right with this average kenyan mindset.

this local kenyan claims everyone wants to become a thief....age cheating, PEDs, EPO, bribes, lies, corruption. get off this myth that kenyans are SUPERHUMAN SUPERIOR runners and SUPERHUMAN SUPERIOR in morals.

I guess that's saying something because there is a lot that you "mistakenly read".

m!ndweak wrote:

that was prob one of the most vague blahs i have mistakenly read.

wish it would just stop, its like a wisdom tooth that should have been pulled 3 yrs ago

is this you trying to instigate me and sidetrack and hijack this thread yet again?

or are you trying to subtlety insult me by saying im suffering from some mental handicap and i cant read?

my guess its all three, and now all i have to do is cry to malmo right? thats how it works?

now back to REALITY....KIPROP TESTED POSITIVE FOR EPO in both his A and B samples....somehow this guy i cant name has to insult my intelligence again...wonder if he will ever be deleted for offensive insults? maybe if i bribe the brojos with $32

It's a good thing mindweak that the brojos live in such an economically undeveloped country... looks like you can get a BOGO deal at David's Tea currently; two deletions for the price of one? I hear cannisters are going for $9.95, that much tea should last you about a month. That makes a bit more sense to me than a single cup and maybe a scone. Is it nowonder Kiprop got thrown under the bus? Obviously he didn't understand the economical realities of his own country. Too much time abroad at Diamond League meets getting his tea on the cheap.

yeah those testers checked their phone

"$32!?!? wtf is this? We cant even afford one potato with this!"

"kiprop thinks this is methed out eugene? we are way more high class than that!, i say we throw him under the bus, f*ck him anyway his a corrupt cop"

Actually, I responded to your instigation. Speaking of "mistakenly read", do you remember the time when you tried to convince us with "proof" of Coe taking EPO in 1971, and EPO being widely used before 1987? I don't know if crying to malmo works. Looks like crying to wejo worked for you, at least temporarily -- he said you got another chance, and this is what you are doing with it. Interesting approach. Brave. Bold. Keep it up. I'm 100% behind you. I think you can say my name -- I think it was all the personal insults and attacks and the repeated false accusations around my name that was problematic. It's ironic how you hated ventolin/calculo's constant insults, but then decided to become everything that you hated about him, minus the useful stats. Oh, and to stay on track, I have no problems with reports that Kiprop's A and B samples tested positive. I find his getting popped with 1 days notice (or 5 days) puzzling. I wonder if his legal team can prove sabotage, but I have no high hopes.

m!ndweak wrote:

is this you trying to instigate me and sidetrack and hijack this thread yet again?

or are you trying to subtlety insult me by saying im suffering from some mental handicap and i cant read?

my guess its all three, and now all i have to do is cry to malmo right? thats how it works?

now back to REALITY....KIPROP TESTED POSITIVE FOR EPO in both his A and B samples....somehow this guy i cant name has to insult my intelligence again...wonder if he will ever be deleted for offensive insults? maybe if i bribe the brojos with $32

since you said you had no reason to waste your time reading the links i had sent of course you cant even get it right....doesnt supersize me one bit

i will try to educate you on this, but you will have to actually read and not just say how dumb i am and then not even use the right dates and things i said

1) i found MEDICAL papers that said EPO derived from sheep plasma was first done in 1971, and by 1977 it was being made from HUMAN plasma. interesting thing is SHEEP are natural caries of toxoplasmosis.....no coincidence with coe im sure

2) another ARTICLE from a HEMATOLOGY of AMERICA or something like that stated that by 1983 EPO was being mass produced.

3) another article from the NEW YORK TIMES 1991, interviewed runners and they said EPO was being openly TALKED ABOUT 4 years prior...that would be 1987!

i didnt make these up, but you mocked me and next thing i know all that work i put in was DELETED. people have a hard time on here making their own rational decisions on EPO when one side of the argument CONTINUES to be deleted.

4) mocking me about malmo...it was WEJO himself who said someone complained to malmo and thus the thread was GUTTED...so it did work.

5) you mock me over and over...you think if i didnt have anything to stand on, would WEJO have unbanned me and restore the thread?

6) vent/calculo and me are far from the same. i ran track all the way till the end of college, vent never did any sport in his life. i make predictions based on my own running and understanding of TRACK, he used fantasy. he bullied people over and over when people said no way to jim ryun running 3'24. THATS FANTASY....so how am i the same? i am over the myth and lies around EPO and kenyans, and you and others have to tell me im wrong based on YOUR own opinions. me and others PRESENT fact after fact after fact only to hear "well i dont think so"

and i was told i cant say your name, mock me on that, it appears subway and casual were told the same thing.

but go ahead and pat yourself on the back and think you are the man, that im soooo f*cking stupid. be arrogant, be cocky, mock all you want, insult, and instigate. kiprop was BUSTED, and there will be more and more the more they test.

oh and next time you try to talk sh*t about the things i have stated, please for the sake of your self proclaimed professionalism...try to get it right at least, and remember it was links of ARTICLES and not just my "AUTHORITATIVE OPINION"

ps....i can get 3 six packs of IPA and a shooter for $32, looks like i can invite some testers over later

I said it would be a waste of time to respond to you -- another example of you "mistakenly reading" something. I took the time to read the links before I responded.

1) I can believe the article about EPO from sheep and humans.

2) No it didn't -- another example.

3) 1987, not before.

I did not mock you, but said that your sources did not say the same thing you did. Seems like people have already made up their mind about EPO, and that deleting would have the opposite effect.

4) Still I wouldn't know first-hand, since I never cried to malmo or wejo.

5) If I understood correctly from you, you were given a second chance.

6) You insult people.

I don't know what you were told, but I imagine the real issue was all the other stuff -- again, I wouldn't know first-hand.

I didn't have any problem with any of the articles you linked. What I noted, without mocking or insulting, is that they did not say the same things you did.

wow just wow....insult, mock and call me a liar. time and time again i prove myself and yet you come up with more lies and excuses

1) you can believe it? wtf is that supposed to mean? the article was written and published, i found the PDF and LINKED IT. its not about believing when it is FACT

2)

http://www.hematology.org/About/History/50-Years/1532.aspx

scroll down to the bottom

"In 1983, scientists discovered a method for mass producing a synthetic version of the hormone"

this is from the American Society of Hematology, i have done this before and yet you refuse to accept the STATEMENT from a society of Dr's of Hematology as if you are more of an authority than they are.

from the about tab on their page

"About the American Society of Hematology

With more than 17,000 members from nearly 100 countries, the American Society of Hematology (ASH) is the world's largest professional society serving both clinicians and scientists around the world who are working to conquer blood diseases."

so you mock me as if im a f*cking idiot, and in reality you are saying you are smarter and more knowledgeable than the 17,000 members.

3) if it was being OPENLY being discussed in 1987, you think it just hit the scene? thats like saying since kiprop got busted in 2017 thats the first time EPO hit kenya. AIDS knowledge hit mainstream in the late 80s but it was around well before that.

4) thats like your opinion man.....i dont care what you say you say...someone cried and wejo told me it was malmo who gutted the thread. interesting that it was your handle for 3 pages in a row as the only name left. but thats just like my opinion based on evidence.

5) you want to know what me and wejos emails say? ask him. you want to mock me about my claims about wejo, fine go ahead...you act as if i am lying or have something to hide

6) you have repeatedly mocked me, insulted me and told me i was an idiot and a liar, that i make things up ect. then when i show you over and over and over its NOT my words but other peoples words who do have the AUTHORITY on the subject you mock me still, and then wonder why i might get annoyed and scold you?

go ahead and mock me, as long as these dont get deleted it wont be me who looks like a fool

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17253966

"Native human Epo was isolated in 1977 and its gene cloned in 1985"

https://www.stemcell.com/erythropoietin-lp.html

"Human EPO was first purified in 1977 from 2500 liters of urine from aplastic anemia patients,1 and the nucleotide sequence of the human EPO cDNA was reported in 1985"

http://cenblog.org/terra-sigillata/2010/12/20/the-man-who-gave-us-epo/

" His laboratory purified the protein hormone, erythropoietin (or Epo), from sheep in 1971 and from humans in 1977."

so how about you tell me again how EPO wasnt created in 1971 from sheep plasma? and 1977 from human plasma?

oh thats right you cant now, all you can do know is change what you are trying to mock and insult me with.

i had PAGES of these links that were DELETED. i even found a page where amgens court case for their process of mass production. they put in the patent in 1983, and won the court battle in 1985, and 1987 they were granted FDA approval.

pretty sure you dont go to court with another competing company for a process if its not created yet. but who knows i have never made a patent and had to fight in court with another company trying to do the same thing.

so what part was i lying about? oh thats right you dont have anything to say about this now...your prob sitting back trying hard to find a way to insult me

i LIKED REAL STUFF...then i made a hypothesis that EPO could have been used waaaay before people think. why you would care anyway since you dont think it works

somehow you claim you are the supreme authority on all things EPO, and anyone who disagrees you ATTACK.

i use factual things to back up my statements, then i make conclusions that some people like you refuse to even consider and call me an idiot, liar and moron repeatedly.

i did a timeline on EPO that was DELETED as well. i had everything i had found on it from 1971, i also put in amgens court case, when the FDA approved it, and when athletes in cycling first started talking about it, when runners claimed it hit the scene....it had NO insults, no attacks, just FACTS with dates...IT WAS ERASED.

again how can people on LR make any logical decision on EPO when all the DATA, medical, historical etc is constantly DELETED and you mock me and say deleting all that makes no difference.

all i know, if i had a blood problem i would go to the American Society of Hematology waaaaaay before i asked you for your expert advice

+1

Fascinating research.

I know you don't like quotes, so I'm not inline quoting you.

I didn't call you a liar, but said you make mistakes. It's not an insult to say that articles say what they say, and you say something else, if these things are, as a matter of fact, not the same.

1) What it means, is in case of a discrepancy between what the link says, and what you say, I believe the article. Like you said, they would be the AUTHORITY.

2) The article said "discovered a method for mass producing". You said "was being mass produced". I believe Hematology.

3) If the article said "openly discussed in 1987", everything you said after "you think..." is not in the article.

4) It's not just my opinion.

5) I really don't.

6) You keep saying that. I generally do not call you, or anyone, names. I'm not saying never, but it is rare. Again, when you show me authoritative sources, I believe them over you.

I said I believed the articles about sheep and human plasma. What I didn't believe was you saying that Coe took EPO in the 1970's.

Again, I didn't actually call you a liar. I'd be genuinely surprised if you can actually find an instance where I called you an idiot, liar or a moron. I know I said you had a weak mind at least once, playing on your new moniker at the time. I get the sense that I've become an amalgam of all the others who call you names.

THIS AND SIMPLY THIS ,

why Are sondre moen , wanders , robertsons in kenya training .

they are given a window long enough where can train with at the nessary high intensity

that only dope can replicate and respond and recover so get actual large enough performance gain

and open up all the various endurance pathways .