come on man wrote:
Not so wrote:
Does he WANT people to doubt him and all call him a cheat and get called out as a fake?
Only a handful of bitter idiots are calling him a cheat and a fake. I don't think he's losing any sleep over it.
I'm on the case. Jornet will be my main focus for the near future.
I don't think I'm either bitter nor an idiot.
Kid Freshie wrote:
Not so wrote:
Not so. Kilian is known as a great ultra runner, NOT a mountaineer.
Rob Young didn't have no history in the sport. He'd done at least one 100 miler and some marathons, plus won a multi stage Trans Con (That was a small race and no good runners and only 25 miles a day, that we all suspect he cheated there too. But he still has a win there)
I do find the Kilian situation odd though. Does he WANT people to doubt him and all call him a cheat and get called out as a fake? Then BOOM, hits us all with the evidence?
Or did it never happen and he thought his name would be enough to blag it, and the evidence will never arrive, like with so many other scammers?
Only time will tell.
This is hilarious. You seriously have no clue about who Kilian is, do you? Just Google "Kilian ski mountaineering." He may be a better mountaineer than a runner. The guy was pals with Ueli Steck and when he climbed with him he was right up there with him in terms of climbing ability. He's got a 90+ VO2 that he brings to altitude. Pretty sure you're just an ignorant hater. And I'll say it one last time: he said that the evidence is going to be released in a film by his sponsors. He doesn't own the rights to release it on his own. Sponsors paid for it and they own it and can release it however they wish. Until then, you're speculating out of your ass.
Oh here we go again.
If anyone asks to see evidence of a huge claim, and there's none, then people must be "jealous haters".
People are always saying evidence "will be released in the future". Then it never happens and they hope we go away.
Can you explain the dodgy GPS he released?
No summit photo?
As an ultra runner the LAST thing I want is for him to be found to have cheated. It would make my sport look bad. But he must expect doubts if he releases odd data and no photos.
Maybe he thinks people won't ask for evidence because of who he is.
I see no proof at all he did this. Read the dedicated thread on this.
come on man wrote:
Not so wrote:
Does he WANT people to doubt him and all call him a cheat and get called out as a fake?
Only a handful of bitter idiots are calling him a cheat and a fake. I don't think he's losing any sleep over it.
Few more than a "handful of bitter idiots".
Why is it idiotic and bitter to want to see evidence?
Extraordinary claims require proof.
Have you examined the GPS data he released? Go and examine it properly and THEN come on here defending him.
There is nothing so far to suggest he DID summit Everest.
If the evidence never appears, he'll be losing more than sleep. Kilian will be ruined.
Killian's a great athlete.
A simple admission that he didn't do what he'd claimed would go a long way toward earning back my respect.
To my knowledge that hasn't happened.
The lack of admission makes me question whether he's doping; I'm now pretty sure he does.
Until he at least admits the Everest thing didn't happen the way he claims, he's on the list.
scam_watcheroo wrote:
come on man wrote:
Only a handful of bitter idiots are calling him a cheat and a fake. I don't think he's losing any sleep over it.
I'm on the case. Jornet will be my main focus for the near future.
I don't think I'm either bitter nor an idiot.
Why are you now posting essentially the same thing with different names (Here we go again, Show the evidence, pumpkin beater, Not so)? You seem a bit obsessed, dude.
I'm perfectly willing to believe Killian did not do what is claimed. We'll see. Let it play out. This is not Rob Young or Dave Reading.
R-E-L-A-X
come on man wrote:
Why are you now posting essentially the same thing with different names (Here we go again, Show the evidence, pumpkin beater, Not so)? You seem a bit obsessed, dude.
I'm perfectly willing to believe Killian did not do what is claimed. We'll see. Let it play out. This is not Rob Young or Dave Reading.
R-E-L-A-X
I'm only posting under one name. The other posts are from other people.
scam_watcheroo wrote:
come on man wrote:
Why are you now posting essentially the same thing with different names (Here we go again, Show the evidence, pumpkin beater, Not so)? You seem a bit obsessed, dude.
I'm perfectly willing to believe Killian did not do what is claimed. We'll see. Let it play out. This is not Rob Young or Dave Reading.
R-E-L-A-X
I'm only posting under one name. The other posts are from other people.
Okay. Others just happen to use the EXACT same unusual style. Most interesting, you don't make spelling or grammar mistakes and neither do they. This may be the first time in the history of internet boards, certainly on Letsrun, that there has been five posts in a row without spelling or grammar mistakes.
Yes, I'm using a different name.
Guy's a name-changing troll and I'm not responding after this. He thinks Kilian, one of the world's fastest, most successful ski mountaineers has no mountaineering experience so that tells you everything you need to know about his IQ. He doesn't understand how sponsor and film promotion works. Kilian had said that he's got pics of the summit (despite it being midnight) and they will be in the film. Kilian, a few weeks prio to Everest, admitted that he wasn't sure he summited Cho Oyu since it was dark and stormy, so why would he suddenly not admit anything about Everest? The 1970 Chinese expedition summited at night and there are no pics and no other evidence yet it's widely accepted as fact. Kilian likely has evidence so JUST WAIT. TROLL.
Please keep this topic about Kelly.
Pics of his wife's boobs are allowed too.
Kid Freshie, let's continue our debate in the main Jornet thread. I can assure you I'm only posting under this user name. You can search my post history and see what I've done in the past.
For Agnew, why was he awarded his FTK records when he never submitted any GPS data but only pictures of him in his car? Seems like there is a big gapping hole in verification by the FTK board.
up to 15!
Lemming Loop - 24hrs - Winnipeg, MB Sep 27, 2017
Beyond Limits Ultra - 48hrs - Mountain Center, CA - DQ'd Apr 8, 2017
Jackpot Ultra Running Festival - 24hrs - Las Vegas, NV - DQ'd Feb 18, 2017
Across the Years - 24h 28th Start - Phoenix, AZ - DQ'd Dec 28, 2016
Lemming Loop - 24hrs - Winnipeg, MB Oct 1, 2016
Pulse Endurance Runs - 100 Miler - Eagle, ID - DQ'd Mar 24, 2016
Jackpot Ultra Running Festival - 24hrs - Las Vegas, NV - DQ'd Feb 13, 2016
Across the Years - 48h 31st Start - Phoenix, AZ - DQ'd Dec 31, 2015
Lemming Loop - 24hrs - Winnipeg, MB Oct 1, 2015
Pulse Endurance Runs - 24hrs - Eagle, ID - DQ'd Mar 26, 2015
Jackpot Ultra Running Festival - 24hrs - Las Vegas, NV - DQ'd Feb 14, 2015
Across the Years - 48hr 29th Start - Phoenix, AZ - DQ'd Dec 28, 2014
Pulse Endurance Runs - 24hrs - Eagle, ID - DQ'd Mar 28, 2014
Across the Years - 48h 1st Start - Phoenix, AZ - DQ'd Jan 1, 2014
Pony Express Trail Run - 100 Miler - West of Faust, UT - DQ'd Oct 18, 2013
pumpkin beater wrote:
Killian's a great athlete.
A simple admission that he didn't do what he'd claimed would go a long way toward earning back my respect.
To my knowledge that hasn't happened.
The lack of admission makes me question whether he's doping; I'm now pretty sure he does.
Until he at least admits the Everest thing didn't happen the way he claims, he's on the list.
ALL ultrarunners are on the LRC list.
The list includes Kelly Agnew's wife.
The list includes Jamil Coury and all Ultra-race directors because they are all pathetic.
The list includes Killian Jornet because LRC scam experts haver determined that Jornet is a big cheater.
LRC SCAM MAN (=Expert Kip Watcher, etc.)has also determined that Killian Jornet is a DOPER.
All of these revelations were just on this LRC thread.
Wow.
whatsupchucky wrote:
up to 15!
Lemming Loop - 24hrs - Winnipeg, MB Sep 27, 2017
Beyond Limits Ultra - 48hrs - Mountain Center, CA - DQ'd Apr 8, 2017
Jackpot Ultra Running Festival - 24hrs - Las Vegas, NV - DQ'd Feb 18, 2017
Across the Years - 24h 28th Start - Phoenix, AZ - DQ'd Dec 28, 2016
Lemming Loop - 24hrs - Winnipeg, MB Oct 1, 2016
Pulse Endurance Runs - 100 Miler - Eagle, ID - DQ'd Mar 24, 2016
Jackpot Ultra Running Festival - 24hrs - Las Vegas, NV - DQ'd Feb 13, 2016
Across the Years - 48h 31st Start - Phoenix, AZ - DQ'd Dec 31, 2015
Lemming Loop - 24hrs - Winnipeg, MB Oct 1, 2015
Pulse Endurance Runs - 24hrs - Eagle, ID - DQ'd Mar 26, 2015
Jackpot Ultra Running Festival - 24hrs - Las Vegas, NV - DQ'd Feb 14, 2015
Across the Years - 48hr 29th Start - Phoenix, AZ - DQ'd Dec 28, 2014
Pulse Endurance Runs - 24hrs - Eagle, ID - DQ'd Mar 28, 2014
Across the Years - 48h 1st Start - Phoenix, AZ - DQ'd Jan 1, 2014
Pony Express Trail Run - 100 Miler - West of Faust, UT - DQ'd Oct 18, 2013
Vermont - 100 Miler - West Windsor, VT - DQ'd Jul 21, 2012 (swept quietly under the rug)
I was surfing radio stations (yes a radio station) and stopped on one with a song I liked. The song ended and the DJs came on and starting talking marathons and then one asked another "ever hear of an 'ultramarathon'" and went on to explain. They brought up this story.
ATY Runner wrote:
Sadly I have seen Kelly cheat in multiple races. I had hoped that he would stop. Multiple RDs were informed over the past couple years. He established very close friendships with RDs in many of his races. Most RDs cared to at least improve their race security but only ATY really took it seriously. Kelly sought out races that had easy courses to cheat such as Jackpot.
Stop making excuses. You are a p*ssy for not reporting it.
Yyhhhh wrote:
Please keep this topic about Kelly.
Pics of his wife's boobs are allowed too.
OK no problem.
Anyone here run Wasatch? In 2014 Kelly (can we think of a good nickname for him?? Kraphouse Kelly? Smelly Kelly? ) supposedly ran Wasatch in 28:37, a fairly average time on a really tough course. I've got no evidence that he cheated that day but have to question if he did. If he did cheat, I'm wondering where he would cheat, what sections he would skip, on that course. There aren't a lot of access points to get into a car. Maybe from Lambs to Brighton is the most obvious cheatable section. Any other guesses?
Pulse mentioned in their announcement that they were notified by another runner before their 2017 race that Kelly was cheating their race. Before the 2017 race, they put in precautions and notified all 2017 runners that they had a back mat and would not tolerate cheating. Kelly soon let them know he wouldn't be running that year.
Do professional, olympian, collegiate running cheats get a different list? Or is just so expected, so common, that the pros are so deep into the filth doping that no one spends any effort to make that comprehensive list.
It seems like this list is missing hundreds, if not thousands of running cheaters.
Liza Hunter-Galvan is an Olympian and Boston Marathon prize money winner who admitted to using EPO (only once) after getting caught. Why is she not on this list?
Why is it that so much effort is being made to call out a few of the millions of hobby joggers while the pro cheaters out of a much smaller population aren't listed here?
That said, here's Olympian cheat of the week.
http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/1100-4258388-mnrxktz/index.html
come on man wrote:
scam_watcheroo wrote:
I'm on the case. Jornet will be my main focus for the near future.
I don't think I'm either bitter nor an idiot.
Why are you now posting essentially the same thing with different names (Here we go again, Show the evidence, pumpkin beater, Not so)? You seem a bit obsessed, dude.
I'm perfectly willing to believe Killian did not do what is claimed. We'll see. Let it play out. This is not Rob Young or Dave Reading.
R-E-L-A-X
I posted using this handle.
I am not pumpkin beater or Scam_Watcheroo.
I don't make spelling mistakes, no, but Scam does! He said something like "I didn't went into the evidence".
Scam has always used his own handle and has no need to say he's other people.
I'm in the uk and he's America and i don't know him.
Just often agree with him. Not always, like on the Dave Reading thread when he said he'd get the thread removed if Dave produced London data. I was very annoyed with him for that and disagreed with him.
The fact Kilian is so good, and not the usual crap stunt runner, doesn't mean he's not capable of scamming something. Maybe he's relying on his NAME to get him off the hook?
So loads of fanboys will all fawn and say "we believe anything he says as he's Kilian".
We want PROOF. Don't care WHO you are.
Hoppy Jocker wrote:
Do professional, olympian, collegiate running cheats get a different list? Or is just so expected, so common, that the pros are so deep into the filth doping that no one spends any effort to make that comprehensive list.
It seems like this list is missing hundreds, if not thousands of running cheaters.
Liza Hunter-Galvan is an Olympian and Boston Marathon prize money winner who admitted to using EPO (only once) after getting caught. Why is she not on this list?
Why is it that so much effort is being made to call out a few of the millions of hobby joggers while the pro cheaters out of a much smaller population aren't listed here?
That said, here's Olympian cheat of the week.
http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/1100-4258388-mnrxktz/index.html
The list was for course cutters or scammers of long distance records falsely claimed, not doping. Doping is cheating, but entirely different. Agnew hasn't been accused of doping.