Gwen Jorgensen Quitting Tri, Going Full Time Marathon.

Sodaro may have the best track pedigree amongst current triathletes, but she rarely ends up with the best run split. For example at this year's Sarasota World Cup event (which ended up being a duathlon) she was tied coming off the bike...yet lost to Juri Ide who outran her by 55 seconds.

Raysism wrote:

Totally agree with the others about her having a better chance in the 10000m, but I imagine she'd be bored out of her mind going from a three-sport event to 25 laps on the track.

She has a better chance (to win gold in Tokyo) in the marathon than in the 10000. Unless she can run the last km of a 10000 well under 3 minutes with the last 400 under 60 secs she has absolutely no chance of winning gold in the 10000. Her best chance of winning gold in a running event is in the marathon.

Another giver of +1 wrote:

Raysism wrote:

Totally agree with the others about her having a better chance in the 10000m, but I imagine she'd be bored out of her mind going from a three-sport event to 25 laps on the track.

She has a better chance (to win gold in Tokyo) in the marathon than in the 10000. Unless she can run the last km of a 10000 well under 3 minutes with the last 400 under 60 secs she has absolutely no chance of winning gold in the 10000. Her best chance of winning gold in a running event is in the marathon.

I was referring to making the team.

Personally, I'm more interested to see what training approach she uses. It's undeniable that she runs very fast considering how little running she does. The cross training works to some extent. Will she try using triathlon training principles to keep her base high while extending her running workouts or will she train using a more traditional marathon training program?

vfhj wrote:

Personally, I'm more interested to see what training approach she uses. It's undeniable that she runs very fast considering how little running she does. The cross training works to some extent. Will she try using triathlon training principles to keep her base high while extending her running workouts or will she train using a more traditional marathon training program?

She's been quoted as saying she's dropping swimming and biking for training purposes. She also worked up to 100mpw for a short stretch while pregnant.

YMMV wrote:

Just to chum the waters a bit:

31:41

Raced at: 2013 ITU WTS Stockholm (Aug. 24, 2013)

Finish: 1st place in a time of 1:55:31

How it ranked: Fastest run split by 45 seconds

Read more at

http://www.triathlete.com/2014/05/race-coverage/gwen-jorgensens-10k-time-stacks_99723#woTl1KW370R2KwZa.99

Wow you people are delusional. You also omitted the line, "While the course could have been a little short, she still won the race and had the fastest run by 45 seconds."

She's a dark horse at best. Come the olympic trials, we'll all be saying "Gwen who" and someone will bump this thread after she fails to finish in the top 15.

YMMV wrote:

Hot and Humid wrote:

Another arrogant and condescending post written by someone who clearly is clueless.

Gwen actually isn't the fastest runner among ITU triathletes. That would be:

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/chelsea-sodaro-270418

Her track credentials are second to none in the history of triathlon.

So that's where Reilly ran (and swam and biked)off to! Good for her.

I'm sure Gwen is set on the marathon, but the w10000 is probably the easiest US team to make right now.

Sisson, Seidel, and Infeld are several tiers above Gwen in the 10,000. The same goes for Huddle, Cragg, and Linden in the marathon. There are easily another 3-5 runners in the 10,000 and marathon with better chances at making a team than her. She has about as much chance to make the USA worlds or Olympic running team as Chris Derrick does at winning a marathon WC, or Olympic marathon. The Gwen hype train is filled with loony tunes.

minong wrote:

vfhj wrote:

Personally, I'm more interested to see what training approach she uses. It's undeniable that she runs very fast considering how little running she does. The cross training works to some extent. Will she try using triathlon training principles to keep her base high while extending her running workouts or will she train using a more traditional marathon training program?

She's been quoted as saying she's dropping swimming and biking for training purposes. She also worked up to 100mpw for a short stretch while pregnant.

Thanks.

As many others have already noted, Gwen has 0 chance at marathon gold. I wouldn't bet my house against her being on the US team though, especially if warm weather is a factor at Trials, which it normally is.

Gwen Hype Train Has Left The Station, Next Stop Mars wrote:

Sisson, Seidel, and Infeld are several tiers above Gwen in the 10,000. There are easily another 3-5 runners in the 10,000 and marathon with better chances at making a team than her.

Not several tiers. Maybe a tier.

Gwen was 51:13 (5:18 pace) at a moderatly hill 10M race on the roads. She is looking worst case to be around 31:45 for a track 10,000. Those girls you have mentioned are all about 30s faster.

That's noticeably better. But it's not "tiers", plural, above. That is reserved for Shalane (former ability anyway) and Huddle. Runners have been known to make 5-10 sec/mile improvements in their career. There is some chance she does so. If she gets to 31 low level, she has a good shot. If she improves 10sec/mile she will make the team.

Neither are certain or likely, but neither are either implausible scenarios.

heyyo wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Just to chum the waters a bit:

31:41

Raced at: 2013 ITU WTS Stockholm (Aug. 24, 2013)

Finish: 1st place in a time of 1:55:31

How it ranked: Fastest run split by 45 seconds

Read more at

http://www.triathlete.com/2014/05/race-coverage/gwen-jorgensens-10k-time-stacks_99723#woTl1KW370R2KwZa.99

Wow you people are delusional. You also omitted the line, "While the course could have been a little short, she still won the race and had the fastest run by 45 seconds."

She's a dark horse at best. Come the olympic trials, we'll all be saying "Gwen who" and someone will bump this thread after she fails to finish in the top 15.

Could have? I think you meant "was a little short" ;)

She's good, but if you're closing the tri in 31:45 on the roads; you're running better than 5:18 for 10 miles; and scaring 31:00 for 10,000 on the track at worst.

Bolded is technically true.

Your second line I would strongly disagree with. Gwen has 32:21 on the roads. That's better than 32:00 on the track in my opinion. Then besides that Gwen has 53:13 on the roads on a moderately hilly course. Thats WAY better than 32 on the track.

5000m and below I might bet on Sodaro. Above that she doesn't have a chance

I agree. Marathon is unpredictable, and if you can get to low 2:20s shape you could win if everything really went lucky for you. A 2:22 marathoner has a MUCH better chance to win gold than a 30:00 10k runner does to win gold (or if we go by world record then it would be 30:20 10,000m runner). With runners like Dibaba and Ayana you don't have a chance if you can't run below 30, and then still have gas in the tank.

By the same token, I think Gwen is much more likely to make the 10,000m US team than the marathon team.

Gwen is probably the most unique aspirant elite runner to make an entrance in running history. If she pulls off anything significant, it will attain world sports history status. The only case that seems similar to me is the Heidens going from skating into cycling.

People also seem to be overlooking the fact that Gwen has beaten Eloise Wellings twice in a road 10K (32:21 in 2014 and 32:12 in 2015). Wellings has finished top 10 in the 5000 and 10,000 at both the Olympics and the World Championships. Gwensanity is legit.

Tier/tiers... you're grasping at straws buddy.

Tim Ritchie was also third at that ten miler. Is he also going to win olympic gold?

Has Tim won an Olympic gold in some sport that we aren't aware of?

V. Fernandes wrote:

People also seem to be overlooking the fact that Gwen has beaten Eloise Wellings twice in a road 10K (32:21 in 2014 and 32:12 in 2015). Wellings has finished top 10 in the 5000 and 10,000 at both the Olympics and the World Championships. Gwensanity is legit.

I think some of us need to keep in mind that elite runners are not peaking for some two-bit 10 mile or 10K road race. Road races are off season workouts for the most part. If I pulled a list of everyone who finished in the top 10 of one of our twenty most important road races (non-major marathon), I don't think I'd recognize more than a handful of names.

Why not be excited? wrote:

I welcome this news! Really exciting times to watch USA running. I have no doubt she'll be under 2:30.