Olympic Truth wrote:
???????????????? wrote:I'm sorry but it's an absurd fallacy to compare, say, DeGrasse, who you have accused of doping numerous times throughout this thread (again, on zero evidence) with the likes of Lance/Marion. To make comparisons to OJ Simpson here is laughable; the man was acquitted due to a combination of legal loopholes and erroneous handling of information by the LAPD.
11 (!!!) former teammates and 15+ witnesses, all of whom swore under oath--in some cases implicating themselves as having committed doping violations--made claims against Lance Armstrong. There were also numerous (a couple hundred pages worth, if you read the USADA report) blood tests indicating Armstrong had been guilty of blood doping.
Marion Jones was implicated as part of the BALCO scandal. There was concrete evidence that BALCO labs were responsible for both manufacturing and distributing PEDs to a wide range of athletes.
You offer none of that. Zero. If you intend to make genuinely founded whistle-blower claims, then by all means, go to WADA or the USADA and voice your concerns. If you actually saw athletes taking banned substances or were put under pressure from coaches to take PEDs, then please, go and talk to the relevant authorities.
For now what you're doing is slandering hardworking athletes, nothing more.
For the sake of clarity, and since he's come up a few times in this thread and I used him as an example here, I have to ask: what evidence makes you think DeGrasse is doping?
He runs fast? That's not evidence.
He beat dopers? That's not evidence.
He won two olympic medals? That's not evidence.
He improved a lot the last few years? That's not evidence.
Comparing him and countless other athletes to the likes of Jones/Armstrong deliberately draws a false parallel.
All the stuff you listed is AFTER AFTER . Up until Lance Williams book, everybody thought they were clean. So what you are saying is cute. Your saying UNTIL I have absolute evidence, they are innocent. thats fine I say no. I use OJ etc to show even when they were found innocent because of whatever they were still found INNOCENT, BUT we all know they were guilty.
THATS THE POINT. YOU are being fooled just like people who believed Lance Armstrong and Marion and all the others who were innocent until Trevor Graham turned in the needle with THG. Its not a false parallel. Its very similar. FAST athlete using drugs beating the test.
Its not slander if they are famous and please sue me. Because then you open yourself up to REAL TESTS not the BS WADA. the org. is a joke. So it will never happen.
So your right its not evidence as you see it, but I think there is alot of circumstantial evidence that says he is totally using PEDs with Bolt.
He runs VERY FAST with consistency = evidence
He beat dopers= MASSIVE evidence
UNREAL improvement=MASSIVE evidence
ALL the test are a joke, designer drugs not testosterone based with not show up in the bio passport and all designer drugs like THG will pass the test. See Vice Sports latest article, SI 1969, SI 1997, Speed Trap numerous articles by Catlin and Yesalis.
HE LOOKS SUPER DIRTY. I think 100% you think NO. OK bye Felicia
You're either an idiot or a troll. Either possibility is dispiriting.
-the claim that those who aren't willing to accuse everyone of being on drugs are gullible fools who think no one is cheating
-the claim to have first hand evidence and insider expertise without presenting any of it
-the claim that running fast/performing well is a priori evidence of doping
-other associated claims; beating dopers means you are doping etc
While the majority of us on here can look at this idiocy and pick holes in it, there may be a few who are somewhat influenced by it. Flinging around these fallacies is neither appropriate grown up cynicism nor amusing subversion.
The moderators really ought to take this thread down.