HEPS Track and Field 2013-14

Fred Gwynne wrote:

Rojo I know you got called out on your math skills yesterday but looking at this didn't Harvard,Brown and Yale also scored more then expected. So that means 4 out of eight scored more then expected. Which is half.

Yes but all by less than 10 points. The only big overachiever was Dartmouth.

I've been on the train for an hour. Back when I was coaching, by now, I would have probably already obsessively re-scored the meet for next year taking out the seniors and also scored the mid-d/distance events separately.

Alas, i'm not as obsessive as I used to be. I don't have the scores without the seniors but do have the men's mid-d and distance points.

Points in 800, 1500, steepoe, 5k, 10k, 4 x 809

Columbia 49 (20, 8, 0, 11, 0, 10)

Penn 27 (1, 0, 10, 0, 6)

Dart 26 (0, 10, 8, 6, 0, 2)

Princeton 25 (0, 8, 2, 10, 5, 0)

Yale 19 (0, 5, 4, 0, 6, 4)

Harvard 15 (0, 0, 0, 4, 10, 1)

Brown 15 (4, 0, 6, 0, 0, 0)

Good job. That is a pretty amazing jump for Dartmouth.

How my projections worked out…

PRE MEET (Not Counting Relays)

151.75 Princeton

145.00 Cornell

087.00 Harvard

063.00 Penn

052.50 Columbia

043.75 Dartmouth

026.00 Brown

020.00 Yale

ACTUAL RESULTS (Not Counting Relays)

129.00 Cornell (-16 pts)

126.33 Princeton (-25.42 pts)

100.00 Harvard (+13 pts)

070.00 Penn (+7 pts)

063.66 Dartmouth (+19.91 pts)

049.00 Columbia (-3.5 pts)

036.00 Brown (+10 pts)

015.00 Yale (-5 pts)

So Dartmouth had a great showing

Princeton and Cornell had poor showings but Cornell wasn’t as bad as Princeton.

Cornell cut it close with Bruno pulling out after prelims.

Now I know it hasn’t even been 24hrs but after taking into account all of the new PBs set this weekend. I got premature and removed seniors from my database and scored a WAY TOO EARLY indoor 2015 meet lol

Not Counting Relays (4x4, 4x8, DMR)

106.58 Cornell

106.08 Princeton

078.58 Harvard

066.00 Columbia

063.00 Penn

033.00 Yale

025.25 Brown

017.50 Dartmouth

Congrats to the Harvard (and Dartmouth) women, and congrats to the Cornell men--overcoming considerable adversity in the weeks before the meet, and during the meet itself.

And THANKS to fun., RoJo, and C/M for enhancing our meet spectating. Your efforts are sincerely appreciated.

So an impressionistic scan of the updated tfrrs listings (

http://tfrrs.org/lists/1278.html

) suggests that not just the Big Green men but the women as well came up, umm, big at Heps: a really high percentage of their competitors had their seasonal bests at Yale.

On the men's side, both Cornell and Princeton had some come-through performances at Heps, but also quite a few performances well below athletes' seasonal bests. Cornell had some key injuries in the weeks before Heps--it must have killed them to lose Robbins (and Ojukwu, etc.)--and some terrible outcomes at Yale (NH in the PV, BHR out, etc.); yet Princeton, with its own mix of great and subpar performances, could not take advantage of the opportunity. Respect to the Big Red: a 3:10 4x400, with the team's top two 400 runners missing, is some inspired running.

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For the women, Harvard had some good and some meh at Heps, in contrast to Dartmouth's near-perfect peaking. Yet H still won the meet, even without wringing every possible point from their top athletes. And, given that the Crimson only have a few seniors (distances and throws, mostly), they certainly should be initial favorites to defend successfully next year.

Dartmouth only graduates a few, but losing Berg/D'Agostino/Dunchack/Krumpoch is a really significant hit. Cornell (which did better than indoors, but still had a lackluster Heps) also loses senior points--most saliently Sorna--and showed striking gaps in its lineup this year. Both teams must be hoping to bring in solid recruiting classes (though some are saying that Cornell, at least, has done that--we'll see!). The Princeton women also seem resurgent.

But Penn seems to be making a serious move, even on the women's side. They've had a few excellent recruiting classes in a row, and early indications are that this year's is going to beat those. (Never bet against Harvard's or Princeton's recruiting, either!)

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Thanks to all those who've made my long-distance spectating more enjoyable this year. It's probably too soon to talk about cross-country--there's more than a month of track left!--so I won't start that thread, but can we all agree that T. Awad is the early-line favorite?

See y'all in the fall...

Congratulations to UPenn men's squad as well. They jumped three spots up from last year and posted best performance since 2009.

Does anyone know what the Ivy League Sports Network's plan/policy is for uploading race videos? Or if any other individual/group has posted or intends to post video from the weekend?

ic4a results.

Mr. Eddie Owens came through with an 8:52 in the steeple. If he'd done that last week, the Tigers and not my beloved Big Red would be the champs.

With cabral, the Tigers had changed their reputation for being time trialers but reverted to old form last week.

Good to see the Tigers actually running ic4a. I ever got why they always skipped their own meet. McDonald won the 10k.

Section 2

1 Sorensen, Dylan SR Georgetown 8:47.37 10

2 MacDonald, Josh SR Liberty 8:50.15 8

3 Kacyon, Matthew JR Temple 8:51.83 6

4 Owens, Eddie JR Princeton 8:52.78 5

5 Olson, Alec SO Boston U. 8:54.70 4

6 Tomlin, Duncan SO Yale 8:58.34 3

7 Mann, Jordan JR Brown 8:59.31 2

8 Erhard, Tyler SR Bucknell 8:59.46 1

9 Gousse, Ryan SO William and Mary 9:05.10

10 Tuck, Nick FR Penn 9:06.68

11 O'Donnell, Shane JR Navy 9:07.04

12 Whelan, Joseph SR Syracuse 9:15.80

-- Biekert, Brian JR Central Connecticut DNF

cornell alum wrote:

Good to see the Tigers actually running ic4a. I [never] got why they always skipped their own meet. McDonald won the 10k.

I have coached at a college (though not Princeton) that did not permit any competition (other than NCAA championship stuff) during finals.

With the competition schedule being a week "late" this year (Heps second weekend in May, etc.), it is possible that Princeton--if it *does* have a policy that limited participation in years past--may have finally gotten a chance to compete in bigger numbers at this meet.

In the alternative, maybe they're not pleased with their second place at Heps and have decided to make more of a push at the IC4A. Cornell did that last year, after taking second at Heps, and actually won ICs. Parenthetically I note that Cornell seems pretty lightly represented at this meet; someone said they're in finals period now.

Whatever their academic schedules, many of the Ivies seem to make the ECAC/IC4A an "if you want to" kind of meet. After having gone all out for Heps, some of their athletes seem to need (or at least welcome) a weekend off from competition.

Nice job by the Ivy throwers in the discus at IC4A:

1 Mattis, Sam SO Penn 60.47m 198-05 10

2 Mozia, Stephen JR Cornell 60.30m 197-10 8

. . .

4 Clavette, Courtland JR Brown 54.47m 178-08 5

Also impressed with Cornell's Peter Roach, who took second in the PV (on misses) with a monster 5.30 clearance--a new school record, I believe, reclaiming the standard from his frosh teammate who jumped 5.22 (? I think) earlier in the season.

Sorry, should have added that 5.30 is equal to something like 17-4 1/2.

This marks the second consecutive meet where Mattis won on final throw that was also a meet record. Last week's Heps being the first. I believe this is the first time that there have been three Ivy throwers in the nation's top 25. Mattis #9, Mozia# 13 (TFRRS needs to be adjusted as he hit 197'10 at IC4As) and Clavette #22.

kibitzer wrote:

Nice job by the Ivy throwers in the discus at IC4A:

1 Mattis, Sam SO Penn 60.47m 198-05 10

2 Mozia, Stephen JR Cornell 60.30m 197-10 8

. . .

4 Clavette, Courtland JR Brown 54.47m 178-08 5

Ivies put four in the top ten of the IC4A shotput, again going 1-2:

1 Mozia, Stephen JR Cornell 18.96m 62-02.50 10

2 Brode, Dustin SR Harvard 18.19m 59-08.25 8

. . .

7 Glauser, Ben JR Harvard 17.22m 56-06.00 2

. . .

9 Brenza, Jacob SR Penn 16.88m 55-04.75

It's a sign, I suppose, of how jaded I've (we've?) become: if Mozia throws something in the 19m range, it's a little "disappointing"! Certainly his 20m+ throws at indoor Heps were things of beauty, but a 19ish SP is still pretty darn good.

The question that just occurred to me: does Cornell have anyone "in the pipeline" to take over, when Mozia's storied career ends?

Great job by the Cornell women in winning the ECAC 4x400--sub-3:36 is a very strong performance. (I can't access HTC--what's the Ivy record for the relay?)

I see that the Cornell men and women both ended up fifth in the meet--surprising to me, considering the many athletes who did not compete and the many (majority?) events they did not contest at all. Princeton's men did indeed exact a measure of revenge for Heps, tying for third; and the Harvard women did a nice job in finishing second, though the powerhouse UCONN squad nearly doubled their score to take first.

I see that HTC (hepstrack.com) has got a feature on Ivy folks likely/possibly competing at the NCAA regional meet. FWIW Rob Robbins is definitely out--with a season-ending elbow injury--so some other javelin guy will get an opportunity.

So I thought I'd look at the number of regional qualifiers for each team, and here are the results divided up by gender.

Men

Cornell: 15 ( 2 in multiple events + 2 relays)

Princeton: 14(2 in multiple events)

Havard: 15 (3 in multiple events)

Penn: 13 ( 2 in multiple events)

Columbia: 8

Dartmouth: 6

Brown: 4

Yale: 3

Women

Cornell: 11 ( 1 multiple events + 1 relay)

Princeton: 6

Harvard: 16( 2 in multiple events + 1 relay)

Penn : 3

Columbia: 6

Dartmouth: 9

Brown: 7

Yale: 2

Wow, it's been mighty quiet in here since Regionals.

Well, NCAAs begin today. Right now, Brown's Evan Weinstock is competing in the decathlon.

I took a look at his collegiate bests on TFRRS to get an idea of what he's capable of. Below I share his bests, what points he scored, and when he achieved that PB:

100m: 10.90 (883) - 2013

LJ: 7.14m (847) - 2013

SP: 13.52m (699) - 2012 indoors

HJ 1.93m (740) - 2013

400m: 49.75 (826) - 2013

HH: 14.62 (896) - 2013

DT: 42.63m (718) - 2014

PV: 4.30m (702) - 2013

JT: 59.27 (727) - 2012

1500m: 4:39.25 (685) - 2014

If those PBs are summed up, his decathlon score would be 7723. His actual decathlon PB is 7393 from 2013.

Today, his 100m time was 11.02w, resulting in a score of 856. It looks like he's done in the LJ now, jumping 6.94m for 799 points.

For full details on Heps at NCAAs, check out hepstrack.com

Congrats to Cornell's Mozia, who took second in the shot--just a silly centimeter behind Augie Wolf's Ivy record. Bound to be a school record, though...