I'm breaking my rule: Second Kip Litton Thread - Can someone please tell me what's up?

If you're Lisa Litton, how do you think it feels to be married to a fraud?

Also, why is she only an associate at the law firm if she is supposed to be an "outstanding attorney" according to Kip?

Schwwing wrote:

Mysterious Kip Supporters wrote:

Pics of the wifey?

http://www.kohlharris.com/attorneys_litton.php

That photo does not do her justice. It barely looks like her. I have seen her at the beach in a bikini and OMG it will give you an instant rager! One of the best racks in tbe county. She reminds me of Arianny Celeste. Does anyone here have any other bikini or nude photos of her?

Feel free to post more on this topic anytime! Any more pics???

fan of Michigan wrote:

Schwwing wrote:

That photo does not do her justice. It barely looks like her. I have seen her at the beach in a bikini and OMG it will give you an instant rager! One of the best racks in tbe county. She reminds me of Arianny Celeste. Does anyone here have any other bikini or nude photos of her?

Feel free to post more on this topic anytime! Any more pics???

+1

I can't help u on most of these races, but I ran a race that Kip Litton did. It was the Race for the Cure 5k in Detroit. He beat me, but not by much. He ran in the the low 17's and I was not far behind. He was just in front of me for the first mile but pulled away a bit after that. I could see him almost the entire way, except when we turned a couple corners, so he couldn't have cheated in this race. I recall it looked like he vomited very close to the finish.

faster_than_I_look wrote:

I can't help u on most of these races, but I ran a race that Kip Litton did. It was the Race for the Cure 5k in Detroit. He beat me, but not by much. He ran in the the low 17's and I was not far behind. He was just in front of me for the first mile but pulled away a bit after that. I could see him almost the entire way, except when we turned a couple corners, so he couldn't have cheated in this race. I recall it looked like he vomited very close to the finish.

Kip's running community friends who knew him before he was a

Cheat have said that there is NO WAY Kip can run in the low 17s for a 5k. They said maybe he can get in the 18s on a good day but most of the time he is a 19min 5k guy.

truthsayer wrote:

I wonder what kind of carrots that the Littons are dangling above the bottom feeders of their pyramid scheme to come on here and vehemently defend him. This is quite sickening at this boy. Litton has lied, cheated and ponzied for long enough. If the Littons want this to totally go away, they need to get off this board. At this point, they are just poking the bear.

Maybe they are beta testers...

On halloween Somebody ought to show up at Dr Litton's office dressed in a blacksweatshirt and black pants with sunglasses on and a baseball cap, just as Dr Litton did in his races

Question - if the FBI or some law enforcement agency had to figure out HOW kip Litton cheated, would they be able to do it?

A spade is a spade is a... wrote:

His motive is easy for me. It's about pure ego and nothing else. Wanting to brag of this master's victory or that master's victory. That's how bad he wanted it. Also known as highly insecure and looking for the approval from others to be satisfied.

Yes the motive is easy to understand. But HOW did he do it?

Blowers, M. wrote:

Yes the motive is easy to understand. But HOW did he do it?

This was gone over and over in the original thread but was always a game of.

Reasonable Person. Simple he walked or jogged between mats via the shortest route where a course permitted this or drove or cycled where it didn't, whether he had help or not we don't know but the change of outfits suggest a vehicle.

Troll. But you haven't answered the basics such as the make and model of the car, its licence plate, colour etc etc.

I see what some people say here but how would they know. It looks like from his results the 19 min 5ks were back at the start of his running and he's run many faster times for a long time and his training partner said those times seemed normal. But most of all, NO ONE could have faked what I saw. I could see him near me a good 80-90% of the time in that race and the time was low 17's. Maybe the course was short, but it couldn't be by very much.

LOOK YOU IDIOT - THERE IS NO Way in KIP's lifetime he will EVER run a 17min 5K!!!!! HOW OLD IS THIS CHUBBY CHEAT now, 51? The guy loves his DAIRY QUEEN and MCDONALD'S!! Like a 51 year old fraud is gonna enter a 5K and run 5:28 to 5:48 per mile. That guy is a fat POS and, based on his continual lies, the scum of the earth. C'MON HOW DUMB ARE YOU?

Off Course Oscar was a poster who explained it a dozen times.

Bike or car. Even if he had help, there's no other way he could have done it. On a course that's easy to cut, he wouldn't need either as he still looks like a spectator walking or jogging to cheer on other runners at another point in the race by taking a short cut.

Now get rid of your extra clothes and enter on the course jogging with your number covered.

He looks back and was caught doing so in photos for what reason? To make it look like he's looking for a friend to run with, as in help out. I've done this in many marathons for several miles and then exited the course. When there's a big enough gap with a hill or sharp corner, he pulls his number up and he's now a runner in the race.

I could do the above easily and not get caught. If questioned about missing timing mats, "I don't know". Not hard people.

How did he do this at Boston Marathon? With all the people at Boston, you can't really drive the course as he may have done at a race like Missoula Montana Marathon-Disqualified or Deadwood Trail marathon (South Dakota)-Disqualified. Take the "T" trolley train? Biking? Possible, but remember how he was photographed in all black on the side of the road barely jogging. I'm sure if we went digging more we could figure out how he did it at Boston. He obviously did something to finish in 2:51 and change clothing and hats. Someone somewhere probably has a video that could help reveal how he did it.

Of course, most of you guys are probably all like who cares - it's obvious he cheated anyway - that's good enough for me to know and be satisfied - and investigating specific methodology/anything beyond that is a total waste of time. But it would be nice to finally crack the secret to his cheating successes. If Kip Litton's sins at the Boston Marathon were as big of a deal those committed by the Tsarnaev brothers (i.e. "Boston bombers"), I'm sure the FBI would be able to obtain some damning footage from a tip somewhere - someone with a cell phone who was at the race that day probably has video footage of Dr. Kip Litton getting on a bike or hitching a car ride or taking the "T" train. But yeah at the end of the day it's like who cares - we know he cheated and there's no point in investigating it further.

willful ignorance wrote:

There is no runner on the planet that would consider a change of shoes or shorts during a competitive race (or during a training run for that matter) to be logical. Particularly when it's the norm rather than the exception for the runner in question.

Shoes--It could be a good idea in the marathon for a midpacker. What if you doubted your aggressive shoe choice and placed a backup at the half way point just in case your quads cramped? I did a search and several triathletes have considered or done this.

Shorts--You're right. No one would do this.

How did he do this at Boston Marathon?

In the original thread, someone with extensive knowledge of Boston went through it explaining exactly how.

The "how" tends to suffer a lot from the logical fallacy of "Argument from personal incredulity" when people attack explanations. Don't be an armchair doubter, try it yourself then analyse.

changing_shoes wrote:

willful ignorance wrote:

There is no runner on the planet that would consider a change of shoes or shorts during a competitive race (or during a training run for that matter) to be logical. Particularly when it's the norm rather than the exception for the runner in question.

Shoes--It could be a good idea in the marathon for a midpacker. What if you doubted your aggressive shoe choice and placed a backup at the half way point just in case your quads cramped? I did a search and several triathletes have considered or done this.

Shorts--You're right. No one would do this.

maybe during a triathlon, but if Kip can still run a 2:47-2:53 marathon even after changing shoes, that suggests he's in much better shape than those times. By letsrun standards, Kip is a midpacker with a low 2:50s/high2:40s, but, like it or not, for the times he's purported to run, they are like elite masters times. If he's changing shoes and still running those times, then maybe he's really capable of a sub 2:40 marathon at age 50, which i highly doubt. It's pretty obvious from the looks of it that Kip can't race any faster than a 19min 5K (maybe can crack sub19 on a good day) so there's only so fast he can jog a marathon with such slow wheels.

I just don't get why people are so caught up in the "how" especially considering we know how, it has been discussed for years and when you dissect it, it just isn't all that complicated. His cheating involves not running the entire distance. Is it that hard to figure out what happened from there when you consider missing mats at checkpoints or being absent from photos?

dante wrote:

I just don't get why people are so caught up in the "how" especially considering we know how, it has been discussed for years and when you dissect it, it just isn't all that complicated. His cheating involves not running the entire distance. Is it that hard to figure out what happened from there when you consider missing mats at checkpoints or being absent from photos?

Totally agree, but the absolute proof piece is important in order to convince those with an IQ