Eddie Hellebuyck "'Yeah,' he says, 'I did it.'"

Eddy will follow the NYC race with interest, particularly the over 50s masters race, where, in a year or two, he might toe the starting line, redeemed, and with the ability, surely to run in the high 2.20s or low 2.30s to nab the over 50 crown. Let all this present controversy diminish his future high hopes.

It should be interesting.

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Typo "Let all this present controversy diminish his future hopes" should have read "not diminish his future hopes."

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ghost wrote:

Eddy will follow the NYC race with interest, particularly the over 50s masters race,

Did he tell you that or are you just guessing/making it up?

Eddy's enforced 'low profile' from races for the past few years, might work in his favor, if he decides to go for the over 50 records, as he has not done much for the past few years, and his legs are still relatively fresh. It helps when you weigh little more than 110 pounds.

Many people don't get it, they think they can make a greyhound out of a carthorse with EPO use, but that is not so. The basic ability has to be there in the first place. Eddy had the basic ability, and his greed temporarily got the better of him, with the results that we know about.

With some people, EPO use can actually be counterproductive, because the blood pressure issues (so frequent with EPO use) can create 'down periods' when the athlete is unwell. It takes a smart connaisseur to know how to administer dosages for good effect or a collaborating medical man.

I was just speaking with an Egyptian doctor today in Dhahran at the Aramco complex for engineers, and he remarked that 'controlled doping' under medical supervision should be allowed, because, he argued, there will always be people who gain an unfair advantage over others. If 'controlled doping' were allowed, then most athletes might find themselves on a level playing field.

Food for thought.

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'Let all this present controversy diminish his future high hopes'

Freudian slip

eddy is a greedy F**k, and no way Mary Wittenberg would ever let him into New York, ever.

Mary Wittenberg is a savvy organizer, and knows that people might become very curious to see how Eddy fares next year in the over 50s category.

This is America, and the pursuit of liberty and happiness are entrenched in the Constitution and not to be denied, even for those who have encountered a slip or fall from grace in life.

There is no denying that Eddy may not be the sentimental favorite if he lines up next year, but he will be one of the favorites, if not the favorite, based on form. After all, there are few humans as superbly fit, at the half century mark, as Eddy Hellebuyck. Clean or not clean, Eddy is a superb physical specimen, tailor made for the rigors of the long run at high intensity. This is a gift from God.

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You do not know Mary at all do you? I thought you would be friends with her just like you are everyone else..haha

Avocados Number wrote:

...my impression is that, overall, the studies do not show much, if any, increase in total hemoglobin mass at such altitudes (in that study, 2050m), even if there is an acute rise in hemoglobin concentration and hematocrit corresponding with a reduction in blood plasma volume during the first few days of exposure.

AN,

Thanks for your focused and measured comments here and in other threads over the years. Were it not for the few people like you here who can embed full, comprehensible sentences with unusual levels of expertise and experience, Letsrun would essentially be nothing more than an entertaining but mostly banal monkey house.

On this topic--you have more than once mentioned an acute decrease in plasma volume in people moving to high altitude. Are you referring to an absolute decrease or a relative decrease (the latter being a consequence of increased RBC/Hb content in the context of static or near-static total blood volume)? I have read that there is plasma volume expansion in the early stages of altitude exposure owing to hemodynamic factors, but there's also the factor of higher altitudes featuring drier air lower ambient pressure and hence an increased loss of water through the skin, especially in athletes.

There is a tendency for people returning to sea level to acutely retain fluid, or so the anecdotal reports say. This would be consistent with an altitude-induced increase in the activity of hormones like aldosterone that promote fluid retention in response to various environmental insults (notably heat), as these hormone levels would remain higher for a few days after a sudden return to sea level before having time to "level off."

For those following, total blood volume = plasma volume (the fluid portion of blood) + cell volume (almost all of it RBCs and about 1% WBCs).

eddy is a deserving cuckhold wrote:

Ghost, ghost, ghost. I am going to break down the ad nauseum posts explaining exactly how and in what fashion Eddy stole money from his competitors...

The math on this is $750 (flown out, comped for free), + $5000 (illicitly gained prize money), $2500 (owed to the second-place finisher), $1250 (owed to the third-place finisher), and another $1250 owed to the fourth-place finisher. Now we're talking about $10,750 in restitution!

While I wholeheartedly agree that Eddy is a dick, douchebag, scoundrel, scalawag, cheater and charlatan, and repentant only to the extent that it serves his own purposes (not the least of which may be preventing his possibly even worse half from hacking off his Eddylet owing to its not-much-larger owner running his mouth at the wrong times to the wrong people), this math is wrong. Whatever Eddy won is what he owes to the races he stole it from, period. It would then be up to the races to redistribute the cash to the new winners, runners-up, etc. This is why Eddy should have to return the money WITH interest.

As far as his travel and lodging being comped, etc., that's a little different as there's technically no rule against getting those amenities while using PEDs. But if he had a tenth of the integrity that his plaintive murmurings in the RW article seem determined to convey, he would make some kind of restitution in this area as well.

That's nice and all, but you didn't answer the question.

Did Eddy tell you he would be following the NYC marathon with interest or are you just guessing or making it up?

You are right on one count, this is America. And Mary Wittenberg will exercise her right NOT to allow Eddy within three states of the starting line of any NYC Marathon. Take that to the bank. She is far too shrewd to sully, poison and tarnish arguably the greatest marathon in the world with the presence of a scoundrel like Eddy.

Also, I believe I owe you a thank you for reinforcing my convictions. I was willing to live and let live, sort o got suckered in by the story, why not give Eddy a break. After reading your pathologically equivocating drivel on here, ghost, and the astute responses which have torn you and Eddy to shreds. This thread is the worst thing in the world for Eddy's reputation if he is trying to fade into anonymity. Everything he has done that's illegal, and every weak excuse that can be made for him, is right here in Technicolor. I see much more clearly now.

You have turned me completely again him. Hell, you're probably turning Mary Wittenberg against him too.

I can't believe that Runner's World would print a 25 page document about this scumbag...are there not good stories of decent folks they can write about?

speedjogger wrote:

I can't believe that Runner's World would print a 25 page document about this scumbag...are there not good stories of decent folks they can write about?

In the print version that story consumed 25 pages? What did they do, print the December issue in a frigging matchbook?

Bless you, you did it with reverse psychology, but it's actually spot on. Great angle you took and there is no sign of "ghost." Thank you, good sir!

Go back to the article. Eddy was only doped for a tiny, tiny portion of his career. People like Mark Plaatjes concede that Eddy did not need to dope, but got sidetracked. The Brazilian marathon guy who lived with Eddy for two years for two years never saw him dope. He refused offers of doping from the French Arabs who came to Albuquerque with EPO - incidentally how did those guys get through U.S. customs with the stuff?!

Eddy was nowhere near being prolific in his use. It is dumbfounding why this guy (Hellebuyck) is being made such a scapegoat. He has more pluses than minuses, including his rehab and his coaching commitments. Enough is enough. This is America, people. Respect, please.

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Really? I thought he said he was doping for several years. Was he lying about that too?

Which is a silly thing to say since we all know Eddy is very business savvy and wouldn't waste all that money on EPO if he didn't honestly (irony!) believe that it would help him run faster and win more money.

And that proves what, exactly, beyond the fact that Eddy never shot up in front of this one guy?

Maybe because he was already set up with a supplier? Ya think?

Based on what specific evidence do you make this claim? He himself admitted to using for years. Your distorted view of reality is interesting.

I thought you were in that bastion of freedom, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?

And why are you so against people exercising their right to their opinion and their right to free speech to voice that opinion?

Eddy cheated. He stole prize money and despite your statements, he has yet to give any of it back. Why don't you ask him next time you are chatting when he plans to do that?

ghost wrote:

Interesting to note, that on another thread on 'letsrun'there is an article on Marco Pantani, the famous Italian cyclist, who died from cocaine overdose in 2004. He had doped and was caught, yet no one had a problem with it in Italy and Europe, and over 20,000 people attended his funeral, such was the love felt for the genial, outstanding mountain climber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Pantani

Eddy and Pantani have similar qualities, yet Eddy is vilified and Pantani revered. A bit of perspective here.

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This is EXACTLY what is disgusting to so many people on this site about European attitudes towards athletics and cycling. The nonchalant approach to doping and acceptance of it in competitive culture is not one that is agreed with here on this site. Using PED's is blatant cheating, intentional stealing of prizes and opportunities from other athletes, and makes a mockery of our sport's purity.

Until you understand this difference in perspective and worldview, you will be fighting a losing battle on these boards as you lobby for support of both present and former drug cheats.

Wow, so his friends never saw him do it. I was a coke and heroin addict for 11 years, never once did my girlfriends, eventually wife, or family EVER see me do it. They had no idea, they were all dumbfounded when i said i was putting myself into rehab.

Am I glad there are things like forgiveness? Yes, but at the same time I should still be held responsible for some of the dangerous, awful, dishonest things that i did. my choices, my bed to lay in.

Ghost, I have no idea what false reality you live in. Maybe in your make believe land, Eddy has more plusses than minuses but I fail to see any pluses Eddy may have.

1) he cheated and lied about it for years

2) He stole sponsorships, race winnings, appearance fees, accomodations, and many other things from athletes that were not cheating and thus more deserving.

3) He stole from friends. It has been proven he stole from, cheated, and lied to those who he was supposedly "helping" and who were friends.

4) He gave alcohol to minors routinely while in albuquerque. he also used to encourage some of them to smoke weed with a few of his training buddies.

5) He snuck around and slept with any woman he could...while he had a wife and kids and was still in the relationship. Yet he somehow cares about what his son knows and thinks now...i dont think so, he wanted the limelight again

6) eddy has never and never will care about anyone but himself