What is the school record for the mile in your high school?

Not all athletes sprint or run or jump or throw their high school personal best at state championship. Your Garry Bjorklund reference reminds me of a Minnesota high school miler a few years younger than Bjorklund, Tim Harris. All the Minnesota top high school miler lists state Tim Harris, 4:10.5. Harris was a 4:08.9 high school miler.

I went to South Lakes High School (class of '84) in Reston, Va., so, you know.

I played basketball and ran track. Back in my day, the main sports dudes were Michael Jackson (basketball, Georgetown, NBA), Wes Suter (gymnastics, Nebraska, Olympics) and Christy Winters (basketball, Maryland, sideline reporter, current girls hoops coach at South Lakes). Grant Hill (basketball, Duke, NBA) was a few years after me.

You-know-who didn't roll around until I was an old man.

4:07 on a crappy dirt track set in the 70’s as are most of the school’s records

California

407

Ny

cramister wrote:

4:05

New Jersey

real nice guy

which guy

Sean Dolan 4:05.01 Hopewell Vly Central HS (NJ) sr 4 Brooks PR Inv Seattle, Wa 6-15-19

Ben Malone 4:05.59 Pascack Vly HS (NJ) sr 2 Penn Relays Philadelphia, Pa 4-26-13

Brave Rifles! wrote:

no one has ever broken 4 in a 1600m race

German Fernandez might be the fastest. He ran a 4:00.29 1600 meters. Of course, all 21 of the sub-4 HS performances broke 4 for a 1600m en route, but do they have an official time? Some HS mile races do record an official FAT time at 1600m. I am not sure if this occurred at any of the sub-4 performances. I believe you can also claim a time at a longer distance for a shorter distance. So, some might say Alan Webbs 3:53.43 is the HS 1600 meter best. But in a 1600m race, the best I know of is 4:00.29

German Fernandez 4:01.69c (4:00.29m) Riverbank HS (Ca) sr 1 HS State-CIF Norwalk, Ca (CJC) 5-31-08

I still hold my schools 4:01 converted from a 3:45 1500m

Miz wrote:

4:04

Missouri

Jason Pyrah 4:04.25 Willard HS (Mo) sr 1 Golden West Inv Folsom, Ca (FHS) 6-13-87

or

Austin Hindman 4:04.53 Lafayette HS (Mo) sr 2 adidas Boost-HS Somerville, Ma 6-02-17

Bear wrote:

4:07 on a crappy dirt track set in the 70’s as are most of the school’s records

California

per your parameters above (4:07, 70's, dirt) my guess a from the list below is Serna or Fricker. Not sure when some venues transitioned from dirt to all-weather tracks

Ralph Serna 4:07.0h Loara HS (Ca) sr meet unknown 1975

Armando Valencia 4:07.2h El Cajon Valley HS (Ca) 1 meet unknown 1967

Larry Guinee 4:07.61c (4:06.18m) Castro Vly HS (Ca) sr 1 HS State Berkeley, Ca (UCB) 6-07-80

Shawn O'Neal 4:07.95c (4:06.52m) Oceanside HS (Ca) sr 3 HS State Berkeley, Ca (UCB) 6-07-80

Mark Fricker 4:07.9h Hemet HS (Ca) jr 2 HS State Westwood, Ca (UCLA) 6-04-77

Pete Romero 4:08.0h Reedley HS (Ca) sr meet unknown 1967

Jon Butler 4:08.19c (4:06.75m) Edison HS (Ca) sr 1 Southern Section Finals-Div I at ??? 5-23-81

Alvin Gilmore 4:08.2h Lompoc HS (Ca) sr meet unknown 1973

Ray Wicksell 4:08.2h W Covina HS (Ca) sr 3 HS State Bakersfield, Ca (MemS) 6-01-74

Stan Ross 4:08.2h J Serra HS (SM,Ca) sr 1 Reg 1-Sub Section San Mateo, Ca 5-21-77

MyRecord wrote:

I still hold my school's 4:01 converted from a 3:45 1500m

Customary to multiply 1500m by 1.08 to convert to one mile. Your 1500m would be a couple seconds slower one mile than what you believe. That is why sub-3:42.2 is considered equal to 4 minute mile.

info wrote:

Miz wrote:

4:04

Missouri

Jason Pyrah 4:04.25 Willard HS (Mo) sr 1 Golden West Inv Folsom, Ca (FHS) 6-13-87

or

Austin Hindman 4:04.53 Lafayette HS (Mo) sr 2 adidas Boost-HS Somerville, Ma 6-02-17

Actually, Neither. Predates both of them

449 wrote:

407

Ny

4:07 and NY. That narrows it down to the list below (I dont know if your 4:07 is a mile or a 1600m/converted mile)...

Mason Gatewood 4:07.00 St Anthony's HS (NY) sr 1 Festival of Miles-HS St Louis, Mo 5-31-18

John Trautmann 4:07.61i, 4:09.6h-outMonroe-Woodbury HS (NY) sr 1 Nat Schol Ind New Haven, Ct (Yale) 3-16-86

Mike Hagon 4:07.8h Suffern HS (NY) sr 1 HS State Schenectady, NY (MntPHS) 1974

Conor Lundy 4:08.25i, 4:08.94c-out-jr Fordham Prep (NY) sr 11 New Balance Gms New York 1-24-16

Matthew Payamps 4:08.32 St Anthony's HS (NY) jr 2 Festival of Miles-HS St Louis, Mo 5-31-18

Eric Holt 4:08.44c (4:07.00m) Carmel HS (NY) sr 1r1 HS State-NYSPHSAA Middletown, NY 6-08-13 05/12/95

James Burke 4:08.48i Port Jefferson HS (NY) sr 2 New Balance Indoor Nats New York (Armory) 3-15-15

Za'Von Watkins 4:08.68c (4:07.24m) Liverpool HS (NY) sr 2r2 HS State-Section 3 Cicero, NY (CNSHS) 6-09-12

Luke Gavigan 4:08.96i, 4:09.26c-out Tappan Zee HS (NY) jr 1 Millrose Gms-HS New York 2-15-14

Chad Noelle 4:09.02 Greene HS (NY) sr 6 New Balance Outdoor Nats Greensboro, NC (NCA&T) 6-18-11

Chris Horton 4:09.0h McQuaid HS (NY) sr 2 Golden West Inv Sacramento?, Ca 73

Matt Rizzo 4:09.12i Bronxville HS (NY) sr 1 Millrose Gms-HS New York (Armory) 2-09-19

Brian Dalpiaz 4:09.14 Sayville HS (NY) sr 2 Southern Track Cl Dinwiddie, VA (DHS) 5-09-03

Owen Kimple 4:09.15c (4:07.71m) Fayetteville-Manlius HS (NY) sr 1 HS State-NYSPHSAA Canton,, NY (StLU) 6-10-06

Dylan Welsh 4:09.17 Saratoga Springs HS (NY) sr 4 Footlocker Nats/Nat Scholastic Raleigh, NC 6-12-99

Mike Going 4:09.19 Wheatley HS (NY) sr 2 Golden West Inv Sacramento, Ca (Sac St) 6-09-90

Jimmy Jackson 4:09.1h Boys School (NY) n meet unknown 1967

Aiden Tooker 4:09.38i, 4:10.57out-sr S. Springs HS (NY) sr 1 AT&T Hall of Fame Inv New York (Armory)12-19-15

Chris Miltenberg 4:09.39 John Glenn HS (NY) sr 1 Golden West Inv Sacramento, Ca 6-13-98

Miz wrote:

info wrote:

Jason Pyrah 4:04.25 Willard HS (Mo) sr 1 Golden West Inv Folsom, Ca (FHS) 6-13-87

or

Austin Hindman 4:04.53 Lafayette HS (Mo) sr 2 adidas Boost-HS Somerville, Ma 6-02-17

Actually, Neither. Predates both of them

I'm stumped, Joe Falcon predates Pyrah, but he ran 4:08 in HS

Joe Falcon 4:08.24 Belton HS (Mo) sr 1 Golden West Inv Sacramento, Ca (Sac St) 6-09-84

I looked through a few pages out of curiosity and am surprised this kind of thing is documented as well as it is. I have to say I wasn't aware of a school mile record, so I don't have one to post. I'll admit I didn't hang out with the mid-D crowd at school. They went to the other feeder junior high and didn't like me. I was definitely tight with all the distance runners, though (these really were 2 different crowds) and don't remember anyone ever mentioning a mile record. Where is it this info is stored these days? Could I look up my school? By the way, my friends and I cared a lot more about the 10k record, which I was under the impression that I had! (Just thought some of you might think the concern with 10k was funny.)

record lists are not 100% accurate wrote:

Not all athletes sprint or run or jump or throw their high school personal best at state championship. Your Garry Bjorklund reference reminds me of a Minnesota high school miler a few years younger than Bjorklund, Tim Harris. All the Minnesota top high school miler lists state Tim Harris, 4:10.5. Harris was a 4:08.9 high school miler.

I only have this mark for Tim Harris...

Tim Harris, 4:12.1h mile, Sibley HS (St Paul, Mn), jr, 1972....converted to a 4:10.5hc 1600m on some list.

I have a theory where the 4:08.9h time came from....but, if you know the race place, meet, date, and venue, of the 4:08.9h, please reply back.

Over the years, various conversion formulas have been utilized, from multiply or dividing by a number or by simply adding or subtracting. I have seen list for the mile with 1600m times converted by adding 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, or 1.8 seconds. I have also seen multipliers for 1600m to mile as the 1600 time multiplied by 1.0058399, 1.00584, or 1.0058. I use the later multiplier, but may change this to the first one.

Although not relevant to the mile, I also just discovered this in the High School Track 1973 manual: "Timing: Distances over a mile have marks listed in fifths of a second (.02, .04, etc), in keeping with international rules. All times submitted in odd tenths are rounded upward to the nearest fifth (8:59.9 becomes 9:00)." I think that statement has a misprint, as the (.02, .04, etc) was meant to read (.2, .4, etc). Anyhow, the High School Track 1977 started listing over mile times to the nearest tenth. But the point is...., without the original meet and results, sometimes original times get rounded, converted, changed, etc. For example, if you see a college's top 10 1500m list, and there's a time of 3:44.84 from 1969. Was that a 3:44.6 or 3:44.7 1500m time where .14 or .24 were added?...or was it a mile time converted to a 1500m time? Sometimes you see a high school list for 1600m, sometimes for the mile. Without an indication of the conversion, you might not know if the time was actually a converted mile or a 1600. It is important to note how the time was changed/converted, but this is not always done.

Is it possible that Tim Harris ran 4:12.1h for the mile, then 1.6 seconds was subtracted to get on a 1600 meter list, but no notation of the conversion occurred. (Yes indeed, I 'm right now looking at a Minnesota1600 list where Tim's time reads 4:10.5h, but the conversion from the 4:12.1h is not indicated). Perhaps someone has saw the 4:10.5, and noting it was from 1972, before 1600 meters were run, and assumed it to be a mile. Thus, they converted it again by subtracting another 1.6 seconds. This yields a 4:08.9h. Seeing the 4:08.9, someone else assumed it to be a mile again. Just wild speculation, but since I can't find a 4:08.9h, I must go with the best documented time, a 4:12.1h mile time for now.

Not Gatewood ... Gregorek 405.6 ... full mile ... Golden West 1978.

Well that's different, you mentioned 4:07 initially. Gregorek actually ran 4:05.42, not 4:05.6. If you see the time listed as 4:05.4, that's because in the mid and late 70's, FAT times were rounded to the nearest tenth (so rounded down or up), or rounded to the higher tenth (rounded up). I've seen both rounding practices. If you saw Gregorek's time on a list as 4:05.4, you might assume that to be a hand time (4:05.4h), but the real time is a FAT 4:05.42. Not all rounded FAT marks from that era are known. Some, like Gregorek's are known, and others are known to be rounded from a FAT time-but the actual FAT time is unknown, and other times rounded to the tenth are indeed hand times.

Terrier 12 wrote:

the school record for 1500 was 3:43, which converts to roughly 4:01. The full mile was only 4:07 though I think. Massachusetts btw.

1500m

Jonathan Riley 3:43.18, Brookline MA, 1997

1500m converted

(3:43.18 x 1.08) = 4:01.04c

One Mile

He ran faster than a 4:07 mile

Jonathon Riley 4:05.72 Brookline HS (Ma) sr 3 Footlocker Nats/Nat Scholastic Raleigh, NC (NCSt) 6-14-97

Portlandia wrote:

High school mile, about as close to a standard in running as it comes. State the time and state.

4:13.63

Wisconsin

Tony Escarcega, Westosha Central