Why are “EPO era” records falling?

So why do you always respond to one you think is a troll and even ask questions of the "troll"? You simply can't ignore the "troll" - as you will show here.

I don't know, but steroids might actually help Kenyan women in shorter distance events by increasing their muscular strength.

I don't know about drugs helping Kenyans, but according to decades of historical performance data, it's not clear drugs helped sea-level non-Kenyan elites, during the EPO-era, with the exception of Chinese women.

I don't know, but I'm told that drugs work for Kenyans like everyone else, e.g. sea-level non-Kenyans.

I don't know, but according to what WADA chief Howman told the BBC, more than one in 10 athletes could be doping.

I don't know if WADA and WA have ever contradicted my stated views on elite distance running performance.

LOL. No, you do not know that, because there is no such thing as "low quantity and low quality of elite non-African EPO-era performances". That the non-Africans performed worse has other reasons than that EPO does not work.

That the non-Africans did not improve as much after EPO come but out of competition tests and better steroid tests started is also not related to your favorite trolling that EPO does not work (I hope I used enough "not"). You only pretend or at best imagine that.

That only works if you baselessly assume a clean sport in the 80s and a dirty sport in the 90s.

The only correct part of anything you said above is when you start each paragraph with "I don't know".

The comparatively low quantity and low quality of post-1990 sea-level non-African performances worldwide are immutable historical realities, no matter how you slice it.

My assertion of incompatibility equally works if I assume a dirty sport in the 1980s, combined with low to no effect for elite athletes. But don't fool yourself -- all assumptions of the magnitude of doping prevalence and the magnitude of effect for elite distance running performances are baseless, with the exception of steroids for women.

I got one thing right? That makes the score 1-0 in my favor.

More contortion of the language to suit your non reading prejudices.

It's simple......

Runners are still on EPO

AND

Carbon plated footwear.

End thread!

The one thing you got right is you don't know.

Why do you always respond to one you describe as a troll? The troll owns you.

Unless you are wrong again.

Except it was you who said - several times - "I don't know". I am in agreement with you on that. But only that. So you "don't know" what you are saying? That figures.

The assumptions are baseless? That's just sad. Countless scientists and coaches and athletes say otherwise.

What are real immutable historical realities are the performance jumps of post-1970
sea-level non-African performances after the East began state sponsored doping and the West countered with unofficially pushing doping and covering it up.

You think like a small child who doesn't know the difference between transitive and intransitive verbs.

What is curious is that you just got done telling me a long list of things I "know". Apparently you don't know what you are saying either.

This sounds like the views of one single poster who used to post under a registered name.

The assumptions from scientists regarding elite performance are baseless, regardless of what scientists say. But the honest ones usually say their assumptions are limited do not apply to elite performances.

The assumptions from coaches of elite athletes might not be baseless, but they don't say anything.

In 1970s, tracks changed from dirt and cinder to tartan. Expert estimates then were 1 second per 440y/400m lap. The East began using steroids for women. Sprinters and fielders also doped.

But if you want to continue to argue that sea-level athletes maxed out with doping in the '80s, before EPO, and that EPO didn't make them faster, and the East Africans are just that much more talented, I am always prepared to listen.

You missed the fact - because you are really quite dim - that the things I said you do "know" are mere nonsense. Which means you really don't know anything. You are simply a bag of wind.

The things you said I know are nonsense, because you said them. They were your nonsensical words, not mine.

I tend to rely on the words of athletes with personal experience, like Nick Willis and Ron Clarke and Roger Bannister.

But not the words of people like Armstrong or Jose Canseco, who said doping makes a top athlete like "superman".

Question for you AL-if tracks are faster [ they are ] and shoes are faster [they are] and allllll of the great African and non African runners , sprinters through marathoners, have allllll been doping [ which helps enormously, right?] these past 30 years, why have men's 800m times stagnated so much??? Coe's time from over 30 years ago has barely been approved upon! Was that small little 130 lb, not exactly jacked guy on so many steroids it beats any of the EPO- HGH -steroid regimens all of the top Africans and others have been fine-tuning and perfecting the last 30 years??? Shouldn't a bunch of them [ in super shoes and on super tracks and doped to the gils] be smashing 1:40 with ease? 1:44 still [ last few years] wins LOTS of big meets Hmmm.

I really don't think you can come up with a good, consistent [with your other views] answer for that. Good luck!