Having both breaks your binary that by definition is one or the other, not both or somewhere in between.
SRY gene determines sex. You either have it or you don't
You first said gametes for which I gave you a counterexample, but then you switched the premise to the SRY gene whose expression is inherently on a continuum like most genes’.
Let us say we agree to keep transgenders out of athletics or women’s athletics. I am fine with that BUT please don’t tell the intelligent you are doing it in the name of fairness. If fairness is your god, why are you the same person who has not been troubled by black Americans not having the same opportunities as whites?
What rights do black people have that whites don't? Just because the rules are fair doesn't mean the outcomes will be equal across the board.
If people relied upon the opinions of the WOMEN ATHLETES who do the competing.
Seems like many of the loudest opinions come from outside that circle (Riley an exception, of course).
You can support the well-being and healthy emotional growth of a trans person, and also be wholly against trans women in women sports. It’s allowed to be both. It’s challenging to accept and hold both as true- but “true” lies somewhere in that grayed and nuanced area. If I could support everyone in every way, I would- but I can’t and I recognize that as life.
SRY gene determines sex. You either have it or you don't
You first said gametes for which I gave you a counterexample, but then you switched the premise to the SRY gene whose expression is inherently on a continuum like most genes’.
Nope, learn to read. I said gametes provide the basis for sex differentiation, so obviously someone who has their balls or ovaries cut out are not suddenly sexless. SRY gene, which acts as a transcription factor to act on genes to code for male sex characteristics and prevent female sex characteristics. It's literally called the Sex Determining Region y protein.
Also, SRY gene expression does not vary on a "continuum." Intersex conditions involving the SRY gene are either the result of SRY-variants and are not the result of original SRY-gene expression (Swyer syndrome), or the translocation of the SRY gene from the Y chromosome to an X chromosome (46 XX). So the presence or lack thereof of the Sex Determining Region Y Protein (SRY) Gene does determine sex, and there are no third sexes.
If people relied upon the opinions of the WOMEN ATHLETES who do the competing.
Seems like many of the loudest opinions come from outside that circle (Riley an exception, of course).
You can support the well-being and healthy emotional growth of a trans person, and also be wholly against trans women in women sports. It’s allowed to be both. It’s challenging to accept and hold both as true- but “true” lies somewhere in that grayed and nuanced area. If I could support everyone in every way, I would- but I can’t and I recognize that as life.
All the women who speak out are ridiculed and demonized just as badly unfortunately. Riley Gaines was shouted down and even physically attacked by a man. Lia Thomas's teammates were threatened and recommended therapy by their school's athletic department for voicing their concerns over having Thomas in the female locker rooms. JK Rowling receives death threats from the trans community for speaking out against the current trans movement and men in women's sports. These are just the examples I could think of off the top of my head, but plenty of women speaking out, and leftists are spewing the same vitriol at them as they would men.
No transwomen even play in the WBNA, maybe her opinion isn't the most valid since she isn't affected.
What in god's name is your obsession with letting men play in women's sports, by the way? If it's such a trivial issue, I wonder why the left fights tooth and nail to let men play in women's sports.
No transwomen even play in the WBNA, maybe her opinion isn't the most valid since she isn't affected.
What in god's name is your obsession with letting men play in women's sports, by the way? If it's such a trivial issue, I wonder why the left fights tooth and nail to let men play in women's sports.
Maybe you should answer why the right are raping children. Is this a trivial issue too?
No transwomen even play in the WBNA, maybe her opinion isn't the most valid since she isn't affected.
What in god's name is your obsession with letting men play in women's sports, by the way? If it's such a trivial issue, I wonder why the left fights tooth and nail to let men play in women's sports.
No transwoman has ever played in WNBA. No transwoman has ever played in D1 NCAA women's basketball. So it's not the most pressing issue.
But is it a pressing issue in track & field? How many trans women have competed in World Athletics Championships? How many in USATF? ZERO.
It's not even a pressing issue in swimming. There was ZERO trans swimmer in last month's NCAA Championships. There will be ZERO in this summer's US trial for the World Championships.
I am not "obsessed" by any means. It's people who start threads like this who are obsessed.
No transwomen even play in the WBNA, maybe her opinion isn't the most valid since she isn't affected.
What in god's name is your obsession with letting men play in women's sports, by the way? If it's such a trivial issue, I wonder why the left fights tooth and nail to let men play in women's sports.
Maybe you should answer why the right are raping children. Is this a trivial issue too?
How are the right "raping children"? You show there that not only are you supremely stupid but obnoxious as well.
You think differences of ability are unfair. Obviously you have never played any serious sport or you were a dismal failure at it.
Or else I had an advantage and recognized it for what it was, and that it could be seen as unfair. You are uncanny in your ability to have the antithetical take of what is correct. One might say it is unfair that you are prone to assuming what is false. But the larger point is that there is nobody alive who can tell me what is a fair or unfair advantage. Some have tried in this thread and they are embarrassing themselves.
You have no advantage. No one can tell you what you cannot understand.
No it doesn't. Sexual DImorphism is based on the existence of TWO sex gametes. There are male gametes (sperm) and female gametes (eggs). Your genetics determine which one of these two gametes your body is designed to be able to produce. As soon as someone can provide evidence for the existence of a third gamete, then the sex binary can be challenged. Intersex people are males or females who, due to genetic or developmental defects, develop sex characteristics of the opposite sex, they are not members of a third sex. This whole "non-binary" bullsh!t is pure ideological pseudoscience and not based in fact, no matter how much the gender ideologues want to scream otherwise.
Let us say we agree to keep transgenders out of athletics or women’s athletics. I am fine with that BUT please don’t tell the intelligent you are doing it in the name of fairness. If fairness is your god, why are you the same person who has not been troubled by black Americans not having the same opportunities as whites?
You really are a complete clod. No one has declared fairness to be a "god". But there are parts of life where fairness matters - or matters more than others - and one of them is in sports. How it is interpreted in other contexts, like racial relationships, is a separate issue. Your digression is irrelevant on this thread.
No transwoman has ever played in WNBA. No transwoman has ever played in D1 NCAA women's basketball. So it's not the most pressing issue.
But is it a pressing issue in track & field? How many trans women have competed in World Athletics Championships? How many in USATF? ZERO.
It's not even a pressing issue in swimming. There was ZERO trans swimmer in last month's NCAA Championships. There will be ZERO in this summer's US trial for the World Championships.
I am not "obsessed" by any means. It's people who start threads like this who are obsessed.
You're arguing to include biological males in female sport. The precise numbers or relative success of those biological males is entirely irrelevant; sporting bodies either protect the female category in sport or they don't. If nothing else, gender dysphoria referrals have skyrocketed in many places (over 1400% in my country- and that figure doesn't include the massive waiting list). Anyone with a hint of foresight can see where the erosion of the female category plus a massive increase in biological males identifying as women leads. The 2016 Rio 800m women's podium is an apt example of what happens when biological males are allowed to compete with females.
No transwoman has ever played in WNBA. No transwoman has ever played in D1 NCAA women's basketball. So it's not the most pressing issue.
But is it a pressing issue in track & field? How many trans women have competed in World Athletics Championships? How many in USATF? ZERO.
It's not even a pressing issue in swimming. There was ZERO trans swimmer in last month's NCAA Championships. There will be ZERO in this summer's US trial for the World Championships.
I am not "obsessed" by any means. It's people who start threads like this who are obsessed.
You're arguing to include biological males in female sport. The precise numbers or relative success of those biological males is entirely irrelevant; sporting bodies either protect the female category in sport or they don't. If nothing else, gender dysphoria referrals have skyrocketed in many places (over 1400% in my country- and that figure doesn't include the massive waiting list). Anyone with a hint of foresight can see where the erosion of the female category plus a massive increase in biological males identifying as women leads. The 2016 Rio 800m women's podium is an apt example of what happens when biological males are allowed to compete with females.
This essay, by a Penn State evolutionary anthropologist, is sufficient in getting to the bottom of this modern day stupidity peddled in the name of 'progressivism':
In reality it's just yet more nonsense splurged out by authoritarian Critical Theorists and the anti-science, pseudo-academia that's hijacked the progressive movement and side-lined the far more academically supported social sciences (at a significant cost to the ideals of progressives due to resulting policy from the demagogues in charge).
Perhaps the most telling irony of our age is that these ideologues wouldn't have been able to gain such a foothold in Anglo-Western (particularly the US and Canada) culture if their world view of an oppressive society were correct.
Regardless, it's unforgiveable idiocy that's perhaps - short of the nonsense we see on the right wing equivalent - the strongest argument against universal suffrage. A bemusement to 90% of society, regardless of political affiliation, sex or race. But clearly very attractive to self-important people with delusions of grandeur, unchecked emotionalists, and / or those with such a predisposition to following the herd that all reasoning ability was left back in 2014 (if they had any to begin with).
The assertion that human sex differences are socially constructed is part of a broad anti-science movement that has enveloped academia and distorted our basic understanding of science. Sex is not a simple matter of socializat...
You're arguing to include biological males in female sport. The precise numbers or relative success of those biological males is entirely irrelevant; sporting bodies either protect the female category in sport or they don't. If nothing else, gender dysphoria referrals have skyrocketed in many places (over 1400% in my country- and that figure doesn't include the massive waiting list). Anyone with a hint of foresight can see where the erosion of the female category plus a massive increase in biological males identifying as women leads. The 2016 Rio 800m women's podium is an apt example of what happens when biological males are allowed to compete with females.
This essay, by a Penn State evolutionary anthropologist, is sufficient in getting to the bottom of this modern day stupidity peddled in the name of 'progressivism':
In reality it's just yet more nonsense splurged out by authoritarian Critical Theorists and the anti-science, pseudo-academia that's hijacked the progressive movement and side-lined the far more academically supported social sciences (at a significant cost to the ideals of progressives due to resulting policy from the demagogues in charge).
Perhaps the most telling irony of our age is that these ideologues wouldn't have been able to gain such a foothold in Anglo-Western (particularly the US and Canada) culture if their world view of an oppressive society were correct.
Regardless, it's unforgiveable idiocy that's perhaps - short of the nonsense we see on the right wing equivalent - the strongest argument against universal suffrage. A bemusement to 90% of society, regardless of political affiliation, sex or race. But clearly very attractive to self-important people with delusions of grandeur, unchecked emotionalists, and / or those with such a predisposition to following the herd that all reasoning ability was left back in 2014 (if they had any to begin with).
Damn, what an absolutely brutal takedown that will unfortunately go over the heads of those who need to understand this the most. An even bigger irony than the one you mentioned, is the fact that gender dysphoria is actually due to biological differences, not sociocultural influences, where those with GD have more similar brains to the opposite sex than of those of the same sex. This even further reinforces the idea that sex differences are more based in biology, rather than socially conditioned constructs, and destroys the idea of "gender."
Let us say we agree to keep transgenders out of athletics or women’s athletics. I am fine with that BUT please don’t tell the intelligent you are doing it in the name of fairness. If fairness is your god, why are you the same person who has not been troubled by black Americans not having the same opportunities as whites?
You really are a complete clod. No one has declared fairness to be a "god". But there are parts of life where fairness matters - or matters more than others - and one of them is in sports. How it is interpreted in other contexts, like racial relationships, is a separate issue. Your digression is irrelevant on this thread.
You are a racist pig. You care more about fairness in sports than in life. You just said so. What a sorry excuse for a human being you are.
You really are a complete clod. No one has declared fairness to be a "god". But there are parts of life where fairness matters - or matters more than others - and one of them is in sports. How it is interpreted in other contexts, like racial relationships, is a separate issue. Your digression is irrelevant on this thread.
You are a racist pig. You care more about fairness in sports than in life. You just said so. What a sorry excuse for a human being you are.
I didn't say that. I said sporting and racial issues are not the same - an obvious point to most. Martin Luther King - whom I admire - had nothing to say about sports (although he was an admirer of Muhammad Ali). It is however gratifying to see my estimation of your intelligence is correct. Your posts are nothing more than an effusion of gas.
Damn, what an absolutely brutal takedown that will unfortunately go over the heads of those who need to understand this the most. An even bigger irony than the one you mentioned, is the fact that gender dysphoria is actually due to biological differences, not sociocultural influences, where those with GD have more similar brains to the opposite sex than of those of the same sex. This even further reinforces the idea that sex differences are more based in biology, rather than socially conditioned constructs, and destroys the idea of "gender."
I think it's too gracious to talk about understanding. It's a fight against an unchecked ideology legitimised by its place in academia, that's being taught in schools, universities and workplaces across the West.
The fact that the above (linked - bogus papers were ACCEPTED by leading Critical Theory research journals) happened with so little fanfare demonstrates just how poor the scholarship in these fields is.
I've spoken to an editor at one of the most prestigious papers in the UK about this. I've spoken to surgeons, GPs, barristers, journalists. Heck, I went for drinks the other night with the head of the diversity board at a leading UK publisher (a notoriously progressive industry): everyone realises it's absurd, & are experiencing the absurdity first hand in their very workplaces, but they're all terrified of provoking these morons because they're attacked as if they're denying ethnical positions.
And this is what should be scaring evoke the most ardent supporters of the trans movement: the idea that the expert consensus is compromised.
The grievance studies affair, also referred to as the "Sokal Squared" scandal, was the project of a team of three authors—Peter Boghossian, James A. Lindsay, and Helen Pluckrose—to highlight what they saw as poor scholarship...
