Cole MF Hocker takes it to the WORLD CHAMP. Doubters, what do you say now?

te5n1k wrote:

the easier heat/slower race people are the same people that literally thought his ceiling was 335 because that was his pb. i dont understand how someone could be so daft. i guess now he is just a 333 guy so obviously he cant contend in a 330-331 race (imo the winning time) cant wait to find out!

You are literally trying to convince people that the faster heat was the easier heat and the 333 guy is actually a 330-331 guy. Both of those things are just not true. In the real world you have to run 330-331 to be a 330-331 guy. That’s how it works. That’s only how it works. None of your mental gymnastics will ever change that.

alanson wrote:

Hocker's time was slower than Centrowitz's time.

Cool. Tim's time was slower than Hocker's time.

Anything else?

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I mean Kipsang’s been on fire this year. Incorrect to say he’s come out of nowhere.

He’s in the AIU database so he’s being tested OOC and in-competition he’s been racing a ton. No reason to believe he’ll get popped. He is a converted 800 runner who was 4th in the African games in 2019 before moving up in distance.

You can say he’s dirty but it would be likely whatever he’s doing will continue to evade detection. With Katir you can have more suspicion I suppose as we just do not know his OOC testing situation except AIU has remarkably not have him in the program which should’ve changed as soon as he won a DL.

He was easily outkicked by Wightman in Hengelo earlier in the season. He then only got in the top 3 in the Kenyan trials because Tim messed up his potato crop.

However, not sure he's red hot favorite to medal because he stupidly goes for glory in a semi-final to set an Olympic record that will last 3 days. Josh Kerr solo ran the same time on a track 2 seconds slower earlier this season and now he's garbage according to the educated here.

4L wrote:

Hard to say who is clean or dirty in this field

GB, Kenya, Spain, are all suspicious in my opinion.

Hocker is very young, but that doesn’t mean he is clean. I give him the benefit of the doubt however as I feel like it would be harder to dope in college living with a house full of other athletes that might call you out.

Hoare and McSweyn I think are clean.

Jakob has been a phenom since such a young age so he has either been doping since a kid or is clean.

Rozmys and Grethen I know absolutely nothing about

GB as suspicious as Kenya and Spain? The wholesome American in the field the most likely to be clean?

And if he wins gold in 3:27 and then gets busted for tainted burritos, you and dozens of Americans here will be saying - 'chill out, everybody dopes'.

2016OTfan wrote:

"Congrats to him.

As for Centro, I'm a big fan- but time to move up to the 5k."

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Centro won´t do better in the 5000m than in the 1500m!

I doubt he will come close to 13 again whereas several youngsters have potential to go 12:45 or faster.

Coevett wrote:

Rozmys and Grethen I know absolutely nothing about

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The Polish Rozmys got the benediction of the jury because he lost one of his shoes during the second semi-final. He ranked last in the race.

Odd decision because Sadiki deserved the place in the final.

Note that 8 from the second semi-final qualified while 5 qualified from the first semi-final.

4L wrote:

Hard to say who is clean or dirty in this field

GB, Kenya, Spain, are all suspicious in my opinion.

Hocker is very young, but that doesn’t mean he is clean. I give him the benefit of the doubt however as I feel like it would be harder to dope in college living with a house full of other athletes that might call you out.

Hoare and McSweyn I think are clean.

Jakob has been a phenom since such a young age so he has either been doping since a kid or is clean.

Rozmys and Grethen I know absolutely nothing about

Tbh, the best place for a young athlete to dope is in the NCAA. It's completely outside of the AIU system - and the AIU are not pleased about that. Also, consider the financial incentives for both schools and individual athletes to dope in the NCAA. At the very least, the free ride is worth a ton to athletes. At the top end, for the money sports, the incentives are even greater.

I will be absolutely (and pleasantly) shocked if Hocker medals. He is a rising talent at 20, but needs to find at least 2 more seconds to be an international contender. I hope he does, tbh.

Coevett wrote:

He was easily outkicked by Wightman in Hengelo earlier in the season. He then only got in the top 3 in the Kenyan trials because Tim messed up his potato crop.

However, not sure he's red hot favorite to medal because he stupidly goes for glory in a semi-final to set an Olympic record that will last 3 days. Josh Kerr solo ran the same time on a track 2 seconds slower earlier this season and now he's garbage according to the educated here.

I agree people are going over-the-top for him. With the first two well-clear nobody let alone a guy whose best race ever was this Semi should be a hot favorite. Wightman deserves to be considered highly. The Kerr thing people have I don’t get though as we’ve discussed. He looks to me to be in the next group, and some bluster from his coach about 3:27 shape and a 3:31 mid 1500 that was solo (if you don’t count 900m of pacemaking) seem to have overridden the eye test.

I give Hocker a 20% chance to medal. Which is amazing. One in five ...

Cole Hocker may or may not medal but guess who did?

PAUL MF CHELIMO

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Hey wise old man. I like how you think. I’m not wise but old. Not sure why posters think it will be 3:28. I watched the races and did not see anyone up for 3:28. Cole has a chance. Some one coached him to get the rail early. I like that. As long as he doesn’t get boxed in. Not sure he has much experience being boxed in.

Felt bad for Centro. Ran pedestrian in the final 100. Just like in usa’s. He has conceded to Cole.

Pretty sure that Timmy will make this a VERY honest race. Half of me says that Cole will have enough to hang with them until late -- because Hocker has looked really good -- and half says, nah he's an American, he'll get dropped in a fast race.

I hope that my first half is correct.

Edmonds wrote:

Hey wise old man. I like how you think. I’m not wise but old. Not sure why posters think it will be 3:28. I watched the races and did not see anyone up for 3:28. Cole has a chance. Some one coached him to get the rail early. I like that. As long as he doesn’t get boxed in. Not sure he has much experience being boxed in.

Felt bad for Centro. Ran pedestrian in the final 100. Just like in usa’s. He has conceded to Cole.

Come on. It is a very fast track. It will be, and has to be for several reasons, a very fast race. This very good and impressive young American might hang in there for the first 1100 meters. Then it will be the usual suspects.

My book has Hocker and Kerr at 37.5/1 and Stewy at 30/1. Cheruiyot and Jakob are +110. Kipsang is 3/1 and everyone else is 17/1 or higher.

Bizarre that Rozmys, who is not close to the final level field, gets advanced for a lost shoe, while the American out of USC, Isaiah Jewett, is tripped by Amos who'd been nudged by Rotich, was out in the 800m.

Hocker has <10% chance of beating:

Tim

Jakob

Kipsang

Hocker has < 50% chance of beating

Mcsweyn

Kerr

He has > than 50% chance of beating the rest

Wightman

Mechaal

Hoare

Heyward

Grethen

Fontes (I would argue >90% of beating Fontes)

(Not sure why Rozmys is in that final - a way to allow spectators in the stadium?)

So if you look at this, there are only 3 guys that are monsters. If one of them gets clipped or gets terribly boxed in or.., then he had a decent chance for a medal.

Finance Bro wrote:

koyPond wrote:

And if you’re wrong will you own up to it?

Yes. I will bump this thread regardless. I'm not going to pull a Bad Wigins re Covid 19.

Paging finance bro. Paging finance bro. You didn’t bump the thread, you coward.