This thread was already almost unbearable with the strange back and forth with Igy.
Now we’ve got a rabid anti-Semite, Hamas propaganda poster. Sigh!
This thread was already almost unbearable with the strange back and forth with Igy.
Now we’ve got a rabid anti-Semite, Hamas propaganda poster. Sigh!
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
It was “one of the classic all-American cover-ups,” said retired Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
Torpedo hole in USS Liberty
“Why would our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own?” Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants Congress to investigate. [Newsday]
Soloman wrote:
Yes Bob wrote:
You are right.
Israeli casualties were 0 killed, 0 injured.
I had left that out.
I was referring to the factual numbers.
Zero is zero. As in none. Nil. Zip. Nada.
Wreck of a thread wrote:
This thread was already almost unbearable with the strange back and forth with Igy.
Now we’ve got a rabid anti-Semite, Hamas propaganda poster. Sigh!
We’ve had it from day 1. This crap is being posted by the OP.
Don’t forget the other guy, the OP nemesis. Not GOI by the way. Large part of problem.
Long time gone wrote:
Wreck of a thread wrote:
This thread was already almost unbearable with the strange back and forth with Igy.
Now we’ve got a rabid anti-Semite, Hamas propaganda poster. Sigh!
We’ve had it from day 1. This crap is being posted by the OP.
Your name calling vs. the facts.
Terrorizing Through Lawfare
by Philip Giraldi Posted on May 24, 2012
On May 15, a Washington, D.C., court awarded $332 million in damages to an American family whose 16-year-old son was killed in a 2006 suicide bombing in Israel. The court determined that Syria was guilty and would have to pay the judgment because it supported the Palestinian group Islamic Jihad, which actually carried out the attack. The judgment against Damascus is perhaps no coincidence as Syria is currently on everyone’s enemy list, but the principle involved, that supporters of militant groups can be held legally responsible for the consequences of that support, is referred to as “lawfare.” The preeminent promoter of the use of lawfare is the Israeli group Shurat HaDin, which on its website describes how its various courtroom victories have made it the “bane of anti-Israel groups throughout the world.”
Shurat HaDin was in the forefront of opposition to the Gaza aid flotilla of 2011. It successfully pressured the Greek government to physically stop the boats from sailing and international insurers to deny coverage to the vessels involved. It sent warning letters to the U.K.- and U.S.-based global satellite company INMARSAT stating that it might be liable for massive damages and criminal prosecution if it provided communication services. The legal warning asserted that under U.S. law, INMARSAT and its officers would “be open to charges of aiding and abetting terrorism if it provides satellite services to the Gaza-bound ships.” It should be noted that the ships were completely and scrupulously legal, were breaking no laws, and were carrying humanitarian supplies that had been inspected. All passengers and crews had signed pledges of nonviolence.
Recently, Shurat HaDin has been threatening to use litigation on American university campuses. Its website explains that “the Law Center, through its American office, has begun to monitor the rampant anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism in colleges and universities. It has informed the presidents of academic institutions that their schools could face civil and criminal liability for tolerating ‘an environment of intimidation and hostility’ that fails to protect Jewish and Israeli students against anti-Semitic harassment.”
Shurat HaDin, though an Israeli nongovernmental organization, is particularly active in the United States, exploiting the fact that American courts have proven willing to hear lawsuits directed against any terrorist group anywhere in the world even if no U.S. citizens are involved based on the principle that terrorism is an international crime. Existing terrorism legislation in the U.S. making it illegal to provide “material support” to any group designated as terrorist is itself lawfare, using deliberately vague language to justify nearly anything if a terrorist group is in any way involved or can plausibly be implicated. The law itself provides an elastic framework for litigation. Shurat HaDin’s intention is to silence any and all criticism of Israel, and, to do so, it works assiduously to connect governments and organizations to proscribed terrorist entities so they can be sued for damages. The intention is to use the legal weapon to tie up opponents. Many of the Shurat HaDin charges have proven to be frivolous, but those who are sued have to waste time and resources defending themselves, which is precisely what is intended.
For example, in January 2012, Shurat HaDin warned the landlord of the Palestine Liberation Organization in Washington and the Verizon telephone company that providing premises and services to the PLO was illegal and could lead to criminal prosecution. More recently, in April, Shurat HaDin advised the Israeli government that the so-called flytilla activists who intended to “fly-in” to Israel for a nonviolent protest should be arrested and prosecuted “to deter participants … from taking part in future ‘flytillas.’” This is precisely what the Israeli government subsequently did.
The lawfare concept was promoted by Air Force Deputy Judge Advocate General Maj. Gen. Charles Dunlap following 9/11, even though the tactic of using law itself to circumvent restraints imposed by a constitutional government has been around for quite a while, having been developed by Nazi jurist Carl Schmitt in the 1930s. In its American version, lawfare was initially framed around taking the offensive against the largely progressive groups that were impeding executive prerogatives by arguing for due process for Guantanamo detainees and seeking to use existing international law to target senior government officials including Donald Rumsfeld and Ariel Sharon, who were widely regarded as war criminals.
The hypocrisy in suing Syria as “a state sponsor of terrorism” while actual sponsors of terrorist acts such as Israel and the United States are apparently immune from punishment through judicial process is striking. It all pretty much depends on who is calling whom a terrorist. It should be accepted that the Department of State’s annual Country Reports on Terrorism are essentially political documents, indicting countries and groups that the United States is seeking to demonize for one reason or another and excluding friends and allies who engage in the same or similar behavior. But once you are on the list, you are legally a terrorist, at least as far as the American judiciary is concerned.
Did Syria sponsor or carry out a terrorist act inside Israel in 2006? There is no evidence of that. Syria’s crime, according to the 2010 edition [.pdf] of the State Department report, is as follows: “The external leadership of Hamas, the Palestine Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command, among others, were based in Damascus…. President Bashar al-Assad continued to express public support for Palestinian terrorist groups as elements of the resistance against Israel.”
So Assad allows various Palestinian resistance groups to have offices in Damascus and supports their cause. There is no suggestion that he is arming them or directing their attacks inside Israel. Syria is not unique by that yardstick, and many other Arab states that are American allies would endorse such activity. Compare that level of engagement with Israel’s assassination of Iranian scientists or its recruitment of Jundallah or Kurdish terrorists to carry out attacks inside Iran. These are actual terrorist attacks that kill people, but Israel is not on Washington’s state sponsors list.
One wonders what would happen if the family of a slain Iranian scientist were to sue the Israeli government for multi-million-dollar damages in a New York City or Washington, D.C., federal court. The scrambling by the Justice Department to avoid any involvement in such an action and make it go away would be quite entertaining to watch, and one can be sure that the case would be expeditiously dismissed by the presiding judge as “frivolous” or “without merit.” That’s referred to as “equal justice under law,” American-style. Or perhaps President Barack Obama would invoke the “state-secrets privilege” as he has done so often in the past to stop the process, conceding that anything involving Israel’s crimes is pretty much off limits, just like the torture, secret prisons, and illegal eavesdropping carried out by Washington.
Long time gone wrote:
Wreck of a thread wrote:
This thread was already almost unbearable with the strange back and forth with Igy.
Now we’ve got a rabid anti-Semite, Hamas propaganda poster. Sigh!
We’ve had it from day 1. This crap is being posted by the OP.
Pretty pathetic that calling for justice for the families and survivors of the USS Liberty is smeared as racism. Buy maligning the Palestinians is just fine.
Pathetic wrote:
Long time gone wrote:
We’ve had it from day 1. This crap is being posted by the OP.
Pretty pathetic that calling for justice for the families and survivors of the USS Liberty is smeared as racism. Buy maligning the Palestinians is just fine.
You’re the only one talking about the USS Liberty and Palestine.
Talking to yourself wrote:
Pathetic wrote:
Pretty pathetic that calling for justice for the families and survivors of the USS Liberty is smeared as racism. Buy maligning the Palestinians is just fine.
You’re the only one talking about the USS Liberty and Palestine.
Why aren't you?
Why aren't you wrote:
Talking to yourself wrote:
You’re the only one talking about the USS Liberty and Palestine.
Why aren't you?
Because this a thread about the Dow, etc.
Talking to yourself wrote:
Why aren't you wrote:
Why aren't you?
Because this a thread about the Dow, etc.
Exactly which is where it was before a poster starting smearing me as an anti-Semite at which point, as promised, I responded with inconvenient facts.
Four of eight indexes on our world watch list have posted gains through Tuesday, May 29, 2018. The top performer this year is India's BSE SENSEX with a gain of 3.36%. In second is France's CAC 40 with a gain of 2.36%. In third is Hong Kong's Hang Seng with a gain of 1.89%. Coming in last is Shanghai's SSE with a loss of 5.65%.
Small caps (Russel 2000)! Sets a new all time high.
Iggy’s gone. Thread is dead.
Note iced wrote:
Iggy’s gone. Thread is dead.
And infinitely more civil.
Note iced wrote:
Iggy’s gone. Thread is dead.
Very sorry to hear of this. Igy was not always right, but he was passionate. He will be missed.
Financial Advisor wrote:
Note iced wrote:
Iggy’s gone. Thread is dead.
Very sorry to hear of this. Igy was not always right, but he was passionate. He will be missed.
Indeed this is a sad day for DGTD having lost one of our most prolific posters. Tonight I may tip a glass of Chardonnay in his honor.
Sad to hear. Condolences.
Why is Iggy gone? How do you know this?
For some reason I am blocked from posting under my registered handle.
Probably a good thing. Funny actually. Whatever.
Anyway, I was fortunate to train under Mihaly Igloi, Joe Douglas and Laszlo Tabori. All great coaches and unique in their own way. Tabori dosed out hard 1,200m-2,400m runs at 3k to 5k effort. Ran my best 3k under Tabori late in my career. Dave Babiracki was often my training mate. Fun times had by all.
Igy
I saw this on the RIP László Tabori thread 5/24 .