Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

triathleteguru wrote:

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There is an image showing the fantastical progression of Frank Meza in the marathon! From 3:19:59 at the age of 60 for an age graded score of 75% to 2:53:10 at 70 and an age graded score of 95%! For people who actually understand running, this is a fantastical progression, especially for someone who by his own admission has been running all his life. Sure, it is possible for someone who comes into running late in life to improve and maybe even follow this exact trajectory. Personally, I doubt the 3:19:59 is a legit time achieved without cheating. This looks more like a calculated plan to steadily improve over a decade of cheating.

99% AGP if he had not...

1. Stopped to stretch for a minute then jump in at the 10K timing mat

2. Went off course to “pee” for a few seconds by Hooters Hollywood

3. Hung out underneath a stoplight at the intersection in West Hollywood for about a minute.

triathleteguru wrote:

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There is an image showing the fantastical progression of Frank Meza in the marathon! From 3:19:59 at the age of 60 for an age graded score of 75% to 2:53:10 at 70 and an age graded score of 95%! For people who actually understand running, this is a fantastical progression, especially for someone who by his own admission has been running all his life. Sure, it is possible for someone who comes into running late in life to improve and maybe even follow this exact trajectory. Personally, I doubt the 3:19:59 is a legit time achieved without cheating. This looks more like a calculated plan to steadily improve over a decade of cheating.

and somehow the USA Track and Field doesn't acknowledge his race in 2018: Hmmm? Again, USATF knows he's a fraud.

2018 Masters Long Distance Runners of the Year

Top 25 Age Graded Performance in 2018

2018 AG Men

Name Age Time Race Location Date Age Grade

Gene Dykes 70 2:55:18 WMA Marathon Championships Toronto, CAN 10/21/2018 94.72%

Bernard Lagat 43 2:17:20 New York City Marathon New York, NY 11/4/2018 94.18%

Gene Dykes 70 2:57:43 Rotterdam Marathon Rotterdam, NED 4/8/2018 93.43%

Brent Smith 62 2:52:24 Grandma's Marathon Duluth, MN 6/16/2018 88.83%

James Beyer 50 2:34:58 Napa Valley Marathon Napa, CA 3/4/2018 88.54%

Jacob Nur 62 2:54:17 USATF Marathon Championships Sacramento, CA 12/3/2017 87.87%

Iain Mickle 52 2:39:56 USATF Marathon Championships Sacramento, CA 12/3/2017 87.30%

Alan Evans 55 2:44:43 WMA Marathon Championships Toronto, CAN 10/21/2018 87.08%

David Principe 51 2:40:45 Baystate Marathon Lowell, MA 10/21/2018 86.09%

Abdi Abdirahman 41 2:28:18 Boston Marathon Boston, MA 4/16/2018 85.84%

Dustin Sprague 43 2:31:05 Columbus Marathon Columbus, OH 10/21/2018 85.61%

Robert Ashby 50 2:40:23 Baystate Marathon Lowell, MA 10/21/2018 85.55%

Martin Keibel 66 3:06:21 Philadelphia Marathon Philadelphia, PA 11/19/2017 85.50%

Paul Crochiere 59 2:54:10 Grandma's Marathon Duluth, MN 6/16/2018 85.45%

Lee Troup 44 2:32:43 LA Marathon Los Angeles, CA 3/18/2018 85.39%

Frank Meza Report wrote:

99% AGP if he had not...

1. Stopped to stretch for a minute then jump in at the 10K timing mat

2. Went off course to “pee” for a few seconds by Hooters Hollywood

3. Hung out underneath a stoplight at the intersection in West Hollywood for about a minute.

He runs for fun. He's just having some fun out there!

Santa Clarita 2009 -- Chip 3:19:59 Gun 3:21:44

Santa Clarita is a small event. Starting 2 minutes after the gun means he started last again.

https://www.runraceresults.com/Secure/RaceResults.cfm?ID=RCEW2009

Photos are no longer online though.

2010 Santa Clarita

Chip 3:15:16

Gun Time 3:17:15

What a shocker! Again starting 2 minutes after the gun!

https://www.runraceresults.com/mobile/runner-detail.cfm?id=RCEW2010&RNRS_ID=RCEW2010000316

brooklyn123 wrote:

and somehow the USA Track and Field doesn't acknowledge his race in 2018: Hmmm? Again, USATF knows he's a fraud.

This is definitely not a definitive list - I knnow for a fact some performances superior to those listed are missing - so we cannot really use that as evidence of doubts on the part of USATF.

Thoughts...the progression chart. I had put Frank Meza's marathons in LA, LB and SC together a long time ago. Try that. It is quite amazing how he slowly gets better over the years in each individual event. I, as an admirer, was impressed. The thought of it being a diabolical plot had not occurred to me. Now that I see the evidences of FM's likely cheating, (99.999 %) I see it in a different light. My other thought is this......does it seem like there is a massive damage control effort being presented in posts to this thread by those in the FM camp. I do actually agree that there seem to be people posting on this thread,,,,who are vengeful beyond what is called for regarding FM's cheating. However, theis thread is about more than just "cheating". It is about the AUDACITY to do it for so long and the AUDACITY to get away with it for so long. People are perturbed so much for their OWN allowing this to go on for so long without doing anything about it. People knew. I knew!! I just didn't know what I knew. If this was a snake, I surely got bit. Wow is all I can say!

AND the AUDACITY to be in Frank Meza's life position and do this!

SF 2011

https://www.runraceresults.com/Secure/RaceResults.cfm?ID=RCLF2011

This time starts 20+ minutes after the gun.

Again, everyone else has at least 4X as many photos, for some odd reason:

https://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=655B97&LastName=MEZA

Ditches his long sleeved shirt somewhere.

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Nogog wrote:

Mentally challenged or not, he is correct.

I've read that thread and was there on every page as it went down.

off course Oscar (and 1/2 dozen others) contributed a lot and posted more than one idea/thought that others hadn't thought of.

ExpertKipWatcher could not have been on that thread as much or he'd know that. I think he may be mental with a handle like that.

Absolutely, we need Oscar on here to stop the nonsensical theories being thrown around---a cabi????, that's ludicrous on too many levels to discuss.

Roderick Powell wrote:

People knew. I knew!! I just didn't know what I knew.

These epistemological musings are kind of entertaining . . . .

Avocado's Number wrote:

Roderick Powell wrote:

People knew. I knew!! I just didn't know what I knew.

These epistemological musings are kind of entertaining . . . .

...in a moronic kind of way;)

Avocado's Number wrote:

Avocado's Number wrote:

These epistemological musings are kind of entertaining . . . .

...in a moronic kind of way;)

Hey, stop that! If I want to come across as both pedantic and nasty, I can do it on my own!

Smoove wrote:

brooklyn123 wrote:

and somehow the USA Track and Field doesn't acknowledge his race in 2018: Hmmm? Again, USATF knows he's a fraud.

This is definitely not a definitive list - I knnow for a fact some performances superior to those listed are missing - so we cannot really use that as evidence of doubts on the part of USATF.

maybe but somehow they missed the greatest age graded performance in that race (And tops for the year and one of the best ALL TIME) but they noticed this result?

Lee Troup 44 2:32:43 LA Marathon Los Angeles, CA 3/18/2018 85.39%

I don't think it's just an oversight. Remember, it was a USATF official that booted him from CIM.

triathleteguru wrote:

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There is an image showing the fantastical progression of Frank Meza in the marathon! From 3:19:59 at the age of 60 for an age graded score of 75% to 2:53:10 at 70 and an age graded score of 95%! For people who actually understand running, this is a fantastical progression, especially for someone who by his own admission has been running all his life. Sure, it is possible for someone who comes into running late in life to improve and maybe even follow this exact trajectory. Personally, I doubt the 3:19:59 is a legit time achieved without cheating. This looks more like a calculated plan to steadily improve over a decade of cheating.

Notice how all his races are in California.????

Notice the variety of events where the USATF runners of the year are racing vs. where Frank likes to "race." It's only logical that someone who actually has this kind of talent would at minimum want to run Boston or New York. If I was able to even get within 10 minutes of the marathon record for my age group, I think I'd be racing in other places than just California. f

No maybe about it, there are definitely legit times missing. Maybe you had to submit your age graded performance for consideration and he simply didn't. I am not sure about that, but I know that they included some Chicago Marathon times from 2018, but not all of them. You can do the math for the top 5 male masters athletes from that race and see for yourself (or you could take my work for it).

I think that he's definitely a cheat, and that USATF is hip to his game. All I am saying is that this list is not really any evidence of that.

Avocado's Number wrote:

Avocado's Number wrote:

...in a moronic kind of way;)

Hey, stop that! If I want to come across as both pedantic and nasty, I can do it on my own!

Yes, I really posted that, I just felt like being nasty and wanting others to think it was a handle thief, but it was truly me folks. I can be quite pedantic when I want to.

I'm still pissed that this Jesse prick hasn't shown us his results yet he complains about Frank. Sorry, I don't see the difference.

triathleteguru wrote:

Smoove wrote:

This is a really striking way to present the data, nice work.

Putting this in perspective, I started running as a college freshman in 1990 and had my best success as an open athlete as a college senior in 1994. I came back as a masters runner and have been steadily at it for about 7-8 years. My best age grade percentages from my times in the mid 90s (spanning from the 3000m through the 10,000m) and my best age grade percentages as a masters runner (spanning from the 5000m through the marathon) - a stretch spanning over 25 years - are all within about 4 percentage points, with no material improvement or decline in age grade percentages over time.

you get all your improvement and highest scores when you start running, or are young. Fran's trajectory is completely fantastical!

Frank's trajectory is BS, but you missed a point here.

Lifestyle changes can also account for skewed improvement timelines.

For example, I didn't start running until 27, but all my PRs were set between 42-46 because I was able to put in the work during those 5 years. Went from ~2:55-3:00 in the marathon to 2:35-2:41 range when I was able log the miles.