the unknown photo looks like it's probably ocean ave. so right before the finish
the unknown photo looks like it's probably ocean ave. so right before the finish
fotomarathon wrote:
Why would I want to see a video of myself running up the road for a few secs?
I noticed that one of the races I recently ran posted poor quality video of runners crossing a checkpoint and the finish line. I couldn't figure out why they would record and post such video, but now it makes more sense. Deterrence.
Nogog wrote:
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Much as it pains me to have a go at the mentally challenged, you're boring me now.
Mentally challenged or not, he is correct.
I've read that thread and was there on every page as it went down.
off course Oscar (and 1/2 dozen others) contributed a lot and posted more than one idea/thought that others hadn't thought of.
ExpertKipWatcher could not have been on that thread as much or he'd know that. I think he may be mental with a handle like that.
el hombre wrote:
Science wrote:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOv8_iDJMY13-W7VLe4smicSit0znQ_m38lY8KmOk6SQiog7fFruaUqrqUNJh4gOg?key=SWNWeHF1dGVZSmRFbFZMZVRwWkxac2R4Y1A0X0JnGreat map! It makes it clear that the first 5K would be the easiest to take care of, and most splits allow a shorter tangent by bike.
Derek, from the high-res photos can you tell what his inside out shirt says in reverse? It doesn’t quite look like the race volunteer shirts but a similar hue that might let him hang around the start line unnoticed.
I believe it is a Pasadena Half Marathon shirt turned inside out.
Not an exact match but perhaps enough to go unnoticed by volunteers hanging out by different parts of the course
have a little faith wrote:
stats don't match wrote:
I highly doubt that tool jesseriley broke 3 hours, unless he meant a half marathon.
Proof!
https://imgur.com/a/k7GUe7G
The Fake 3 hour marathoner has been outed! Good one mate!
this is really great. how much time and energy are needed to figure out how to camouflage one's inability to run fast?
RossiCheated wrote:
Do I think videos would completely stop cheating? No.
I’m putting on my race director cap. I care about my race. I’d protect it the best I could and let the cheaters go to your race.
A couple of volunteers, a couple of video cameras. This isn’t rocket science. Nor is it expensive. Those arguments are canards.
Drones too. We need lots of drones. Maybe personal drones following every runner. If they go off course, the drone takes them out.
If we stop all the course cutters, they will just start lying about their times.
You have noticed what this thread is about?
Childish experts at work wrote:
You have noticed what this thread is about?
Cheaters?
Pantalones en fuego wrote:
Childish experts at work wrote:
You have noticed what this thread is about?
Cheaters?
Bingo! Bragging about a sub 3 that never happened or setting an over 70 record. If it ain't right, it ain't right.
Science wrote:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOv8_iDJMY13-W7VLe4smicSit0znQ_m38lY8KmOk6SQiog7fFruaUqrqUNJh4gOg?key=SWNWeHF1dGVZSmRFbFZMZVRwWkxac2R4Y1A0X0Jn
nice map! not sure if you got your question answered w/ respect to where is this photo from, but the photo of fm in the background with runner 1148 in front of him is on the final stretch of the marathon on ocean ave. (approximately mile 25.7) see post under this user name on page 100, with the details.
Links:
Lip Kitten wrote:
Page 38117 wrote:
Need hi res to confirm, but:
3017_609860 Look above gap between x in Finisherpix and 2 in 2019
3017_609861 Look above i and x in Finisherpix
3017_609862 Look above p in Finisherpix
3017_609863 Look above p in Finisherpix
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/All/38117If that is Meza, he was off the course for quite a while because 21192 finished almost 10 minutes ahead of Meza. Someone posted earlier that the photos are from near Ocean Ave and Palisades Ave (approximately mile 25.7).
it's only a matter of time wrote:
and, there's more evidence... after crossing the 40K mat, fm gets in his car/jumps on his bike and makes his way over to palisades ave. and ocean ave. for his last re-entry into the race. folks familiar with 2018 video know that this is the spot that he rejoins the race and then ditches his jacket.
see the photo below and the google street view link. this photo (at ocean ave./palisades ave.) is approximately at mile 25.7 (I compared the location against the strava data that i have). in the photo fm is pictured with runner 1148. runner 1148 crossed the 40K mat 18 seconds ahead of fm (1148 at 2:44:39 clock time / fm at 2:44:57), but somehow, in approximately 1.2K / 0.75 miles fm closes an 18 second gap to be pictured w/ runner 1148 with approximately 700-800 meters to go in the race.
note that runner 1148 ran his last 1.95K (the final split) at 6:32 pace, so fm would need to run considerably faster after crossing the 40K mat to nearly catch runner 1148 in this picture, only to then concede approximately 20 seconds in the final 700-800 meters (fm finishes 24 seconds behind runner 1148 on clock time (fm: 2:53:58 vs. 1148: 2:53:34)).
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photo/en/usd/3017/1148/3017_610085#3017_610085https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0227135,-118.5080626,3a,42.2y,330.22h,91.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMNvu2-XD2KLsWnFo3n4WWw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656additional links to pages that may have fm in the background - i haven't been able to find him, but i suspect he's lurking back there somewhere.
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/All/38131https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/All/45575frank, you're a fraud. it looks like you've cheated for nearly a decade and continue to lie about... even to those who know you. you're pathetic.
Page 38117 wrote:
Need hi res to confirm, but:
The hi res were never obtained, Derek said he had enough evidence to prove he cheated.
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There is an image showing the fantastical progression of Frank Meza in the marathon! From 3:19:59 at the age of 60 for an age graded score of 75% to 2:53:10 at 70 and an age graded score of 95%! For people who actually understand running, this is a fantastical progression, especially for someone who by his own admission has been running all his life. Sure, it is possible for someone who comes into running late in life to improve and maybe even follow this exact trajectory. Personally, I doubt the 3:19:59 is a legit time achieved without cheating. This looks more like a calculated plan to steadily improve over a decade of cheating.
triathleteguru wrote:
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There is an image showing the fantastical progression of Frank Meza in the marathon! From 3:19:59 at the age of 60 for an age graded score of 75% to 2:53:10 at 70 and an age graded score of 95%! For people who actually understand running, this is a fantastical progression, especially for someone who by his own admission has been running all his life. Sure, it is possible for someone who comes into running late in life to improve and maybe even follow this exact trajectory. Personally, I doubt the 3:19:59 is a legit time achieved without cheating. This looks more like a calculated plan to steadily improve over a decade of cheating.
This is a really striking way to present the data, nice work.
Putting this in perspective, I started running as a college freshman in 1990 and had my best success as an open athlete as a college senior in 1994. I came back as a masters runner and have been steadily at it for about 7-8 years. My best age grade percentages from my times in the mid 90s (spanning from the 3000m through the 10,000m) and my best age grade percentages as a masters runner (spanning from the 5000m through the marathon) - a stretch spanning over 25 years - are all within about 4 percentage points, with no material improvement or decline in age grade percentages over time.
2015 and 2016 were big years. Haha, a must to check out "last photo on the 4th row", and this is the one where he recorded 2:52:47 lol:
Walk and Turn wrote:
Non super sleuth. wrote:
Third and fourth photos from the end are the same spot where he jumped in LA2019, (change in concrete colour) notice everyone else is out wide in the middle of the road, Frank is close to the gutter like he's just jumped in a bit further back.
Gotta love the last photo on the 4th row - two shirtless guys and a woman in a sports bra looking like they’re running a decent pace. And then there’s Frank. Deer in the headlights. Both feet on the ground. Stumbling like he’s failing a sobriety test.
[quote]triathleteguru wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/FcJcEFF.png
I should point out that California International Marathon DQ'd Frank based on running a 36 minute 10k at the end of his marathon in 2014 at the age of 65. A 36 minute 10k at 65 gets an age graded score of 95%, the same score Frank got at the LA Marathon for the whole thing! If CIM DQ'd Frank off this, why hasn't LA Marathon done the right thing yet?
