Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

So, Russia hits back as the fighting continues on. Lol

How long has this conflict gone on for now? Two and a half years?

No peace talks & diplomacy intervention? Both sides seem to enjoy killing each other

It's simply an orchestrated war for Big Oil, the Military Industrial Complex & Putin to profit from.

The fighting will continue for many years to come as long as there's big $$$ to be made. Most Americans will become oblivious that the war is still going on And this thread will eventually die out.

Soldiers are being slaughtered & civilians killed routinely on both sides as the rich get richer profiting from this war.

This is the world we live in.

What a sad state of affairs. 😔

globalwitness.org

US & European big oil profits top a quarter of a trillion dollars since the invasion of Ukraine | Global Witness

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US & European big oil profits top a quarter of a trillion dollars since the invasion of Ukraine

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theconversation.com

Russia’s economy is now completely driven by the war in Ukraine – it cannot afford to lose, but nor can it afford to win

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Western military support for Ukraine is more important than ever.

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globaltimes.cn

As biggest broker for US arms industry, Washington greatly profits from Russia-Ukraine conflict

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In 2023, the world was in turmoil, with the Russia-Ukraine war dragging on and the conflict in the Gaza Strip reoccurring. As the demand for weapons rose dramatically in many parts of the world, the US, known as a non-stop wa...

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defenseone.com

Ukraine War Could Last a Decade, Top Ukrainian Official Says

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The deputy minister of digital transformation is working to cut red tape and attract foreign investors to homegrown defense startups.

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Here's a great video of a Russian bridge being below up. Russia claims it was blown up by an American made HIMARS rocket. Like all normal Americans, I certainly hope it was. I LOVE the US military industrial complex! They blow the sh!t out of Russian bridges.

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New video shows Ukraine striking deep inside Russia | CNN

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Lt. General Mark Hertling (Ret.) weighs in on new video showing Ukraine striking deep inside Russia and the resulting annihilation of a key supply bridge in Russia.

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Russian has foreign troops from Ukraine operating in Russian territory. It's just incredible how bad the Russian military and defense is. Finland should try to get back Karelia. Call it a special military operation. What's Russia going to do? They can't even stop Ukranian troops from invading and occupying.

And the Baltic States and Poland should take over Kaliningrad. Again, what is Russia going to do? Fight back? Kaliningrad and Kareli aren't even Russian.

That's it!

I am NEVER voting for Hunter Biden, if it's the last thing I don't do!

Russian troops surrendering on Russian soil. Even the MAG@s know Russia is a humiliated joke.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-conscripts-tell-of-mass-surrender-in-kursk-region-the-new-york-times/ar-AA1oZ1io

Russia is a military comedy. They can't even defend their own country from Ukraine. NATO could (and should) mobilize and go crashing through that sh!thole country and put an end to this. How long has the free world been putting up with this idiot nation of cowards and their endless threats? Way too long is the answer. Decades of this nonsense. We ALL now know what the Pentagon probably always knew -- that Russia is pathetic.

What a special military operation this is. Bridges blowing up inside Russia. Russian troops surrendering on Russian soil. Ukrainian troops occupying Russian villages. It's so very special.

Russia seems to be getting serious about the Kursk incursion.

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-protests-us-over-american-journalists-kursk-2024-08-20/

"You and what army?" indeed.

How’s that 3 days till kyiv going, trumpers?

*sees videos of literally a thousand russian troops surrendering inside russian territory to ukranian marines, videos of shiny new Ukranian F-16s launching long range strikes, russian bridges getting blown up inside russia, and 19% of russian oil production stopped because of ukranian drone bombing campaigns*

Jesus christ. NATO should take like 5% of its men or something and finish the job by taking moscow. Put the wounded dog down already. I think China has learned a lot by watching this conflict and won’t make a grab for Taiwain anytime soon. Even pro-russian India has acknowledged Ukraine now has some of the finest fighting legions on the planet, Indian PM Modi took the FIRST EVER indian diplomatic visit to Kyiv yesterday.

Here we go again - conflicting information on what's really happening.

This mainstream information says 80,000 Ukrainian soldiers refuse to fight & have retreated. As a result, Russia is pushing back & reclaiming the invaded territories:

Sounds like to me Ukrainian soldiers are tired of dying for the U.S. & NATO. Stupid for Ukraine to invade Russia - it's going to be nothing but a slaughter house on both sides if this war continues.

Btw, you need to read NATO's Article 5 - which I've posted the link on a recent previous comment. NATO can't get involved unless one of it's member countries is attacked - then Article 5 is invoked. Article 5 is the cornerstone of the alliance.

Ukraine is not a member of NATO - you should know that. And Putin isn't stupid enough to attack a NATO country where Article 5 would be invoked - that would be suicide.

I posted a picture of a Ukranian soldier deep inside russia. You posted podcasts of indian and russian funded putin throaters. Womp womp. Russia is smaller now.

US and NATO planners are certainly analyzing the Russian failures here. Russian actually has foreign invading troops killing Russian soldiers on Russian soil for the last two weeks. Who would have ever believed Russia was so incapable of defending its own border?

I agree, finish this off. A war with Russia in Eastern Europe is inevitable. May as well do it now while Russia is at its weakest. 200,000 troops could mobilize and run through Russia to Moscow in a month.

How do you propose the "US & NATO" would engage in an "inevitable" war with Russia?

For NATO to get involved - Article 5 - needs to invoked, which involves one or more of NATO's member countries attacked by Russia. That's not going to happen. Putin may be evil, but he's not stupid. It would suicide for him to attack a NATO member country (the only time Article 5 has ever been invoked in the history of NATO was on 911).

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm#:~:text=Article%205%20provides%20that%20if,to%20assist%20the%20Ally%20attacked.

Congress could declare war on Russia but that would require a majority vote from both the House & Senate - not going to happen.

President Biden could invade Russia but under the "War Powers Resolution" that would require Congressional approval - not going to happen.

OTOH, Russia's nuclear deterrence policy clearly states nuclear weapons & WMDs can used to defend any "situation critical to the national security of the Russian Federation."

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2020-07/news/russia-releases-nuclear-deterrence-policy

Russia currently has 5580 nuclear warheads dispersed on silo & mobile ICBMs, SLBMs & heavy bombers (the US has 5748 warheads). Some of the Russian ICBMs (R-36M) carry either a 10×750 kiloton MIRV warhead or up to one single 20 megaton warhead. This makes the Atomic bombs used on Japan look like firecrackers compared to the explosive yield of a megaton warhead.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/nuclear-weapons-who-has-what-glance

Russia has technically vioated article 5 many times, it’s killed polish farmers with missiles meant for Ukraine, downed our Reapers, etc.

Also, who says it’s a war? This would be a special military operation to de-nazify and demilitarize russia. You know, the russia that allied with the Nazis less than a century ago and invaded the baltic states for zero reason at all. Sounds like the SMO is for the greater good here. Circassia, Norway, Japan, Transintnia, Moldova, Poland, Georgia, Ukraine, and many others will all get their historical vengeance.

As for their nukes, meh. They’re gonna use them eventually anyways. They are a nation that has been brain drained for centuries now, their average IQ is in the toilet. We have to deal with the nukes at some point, may as well do it now while they are weak. We destroy their early warning systems and communication systems, their satellites, and also hit them with a cyberattack that makes Stuxnet look like a computer pop-up ad. Of course do this in the middle of the night. Have our own tactical yield (minimal fallout) missiles strike every known silo, submarine pen, railyard, and military base where they could be hiding their nukes. About 30-60% of their nukes will be nonfunctional anyways due to lack of maintenance and typical Russian build quality. Meanwhile, have X-37’s above attempt to shoot down the russian nukes that do make it to space. Have the interceptor station in Fairbanks shoot down as many as they can as well. Some russian nukes will get past and cause extreme damage, but a very small number. While this is going on, have a million NATO ground troops and several thousand aircraft launch multiple fronts into russia. Moscow would fall within days, the country within weeks-months (simply due to it’s size). Maybe get China in on it by promising them half of russian territory or something.

If Russia has "technically" violated Article 5 "many times" against Poland (a member country) - why then hasn't NATO invoked Article 5? Understand an attack on any member country is considered an attack on all NATO member countries, and military force can be justified & carried out. This is the cornerstone of the alliance created after World War 2.

Wouldn't this be the US & NATO'S chance to invade Russia & end this war? 🤔

On your second point of a "special military operation" against a foreign country authorized by the President - that still falls under War Powers Resolution act:

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War Powers Resolution

The War Powers Resolution (also known as the War Powers Resolution of 1973 or the War Powers Act) (50 U.S.C. ch. 33) is a federal law intended to check the U.S. president's power to commit the United States to an armed confli...

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1. I don't work at the Pentagon, and I don't have the resources to map out the best way for the US and NATO countries engage in the inevitable war with Russia. But I am absolutely confident that many people in the Pentagon and elsewhere have it all planned out. I assume one way is to amass NATO troops on the Russian border (Finland, Estonia, Latvia and probably Ukraine), wait a few weeks, and then have them steamroll Russia's pathetic homeland defenses and drive into Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad (with suitable air support, of course). Kind of like what Prigozhin did, except on a much larger scale (like 400X).

2. I disagree that Russia needs to attack a NATO country for NATO to engage Russia.

3. I disagree that Russia/Putin will not attack a NATO country. I think they have many contingent plans to do so. Russia is an aggressive and confrontational enemy of the US and its allies.

4. I disagree Congressional approval is needed to take military action. I agree that Congress (and the President and the public) is currently hesitant to engage in military action with Russia. I hope that will not always be the case. Anyway, it's going to happen whether people now oppose it or not.

5. I'm aware of Russia's nuclear weapons. Everyone is aware of them. Russia has threatened to use them against you and your family about every week for the last two years. It would be difficult not to know that Russia has nuclear weapons.

Russia has the same cyberattack technology that the US has, so they would use it against the US & NATO.

It's hard to keep military technology a secret from other superpowers. Remember the the Manhattan project? Several Soviet spies were able to penetrate the top security of Los Alamos transferring data to the Soviet nuclear physicists that sped up their development of the atomic bomb (the Soviets developed & tested their atomic bomb in 1949).

In the mid-1990s, Chinese spies were able to penetrate Los Alamos & steal the data for the W88 warhead - the most advanced nuclear warhead of that time period.

So much for the US trying to keep secrets. Lol

shiver me timbers! Russia is so advanced that they cannot defeat the 4 Ukrainian battalions currently airing them out in Kursk. It’s been weeks and Ukraine is still advancing into russian territory.

You're incorrect on several of your points. You still don't comprehend Article 5 of the NATO alliance. NATO can not preemptively attack another nation. It's a direct violation of the treaty.

NATO was formed right after WW2 to prevent world wars not start them. After the horrors of WW2, human civilization didn't want to see any more world wars.

As I mentioned previously, the only time in NATO's history that Article 5 was invoked was 911 when the US was attacked in NYC.

Putin will not attack a NATO country...period. As I said previously, he may evil but he's far from stupid. An attack on a NATO country would invoke Article 5 & a subsequent world war. Putin doesn't want to live out the rest of his natural life in an underground bunker as the world scorches above in mutually assured destruction. Lol

And yes the President needs Congressional approval on military action taken against a foreign nation. It's in the War Powers Resolution act that I posted. It's complicated but it's there for reason (it was created & passed in 1973 after the Vietnam war).

An attack on Russia by the US will result in WW3. Russia has a defense pact with North Korea with stipulates mutual military aid & defense if either country is attack. NK has the Sino-North Korea Mutual Aide and Friendship Cooperation treaty with China stipulating that China will defend NK in the event they're attacked.

Can image that unthinkable day if the US invaded & engaged in war with Russia? Oil prices would explode, the stock market would crash, nationwide panic from coast to coast, a run on the banks, a run on food & supplies, riots & public unrest, economic collapse, martial law, etc.

No President wants that on their watch...ever.

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Russia Struck a Defense Pact With North Korea. What Does It Mean?

The new defense treaty demonstrates a growing closeness between the two pariah states that is likely to make the rest of the world uneasy.

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