Sifan Hassan = GOAT! 3:51.95 FROM THE FRONT!!

Open your eyes wrote:

Doptastic wrote:

I didn’t think she was doping till this performance. It’s too good. After that 10k? After two rounds?

She had a breast reduction, lost weight, got serious and started training like a beast. It's that simple, it's called hard work and dedication.

This is why our sport will never be popular. One of the greatest performances we've seen and you jackoffs are picking it apart. She was no where near Salazar when the events he was busted for took place. Like it or not, Salazar is an amazing coach and he did a great job with Sifan.

+1

Similar to Big Mac. He had d--- reduction surgery before 2012. He is clean, but I don't know why people still call him Big Mac. Little Mac would be more appropriate.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

All of these guys insecure over her speed...jeez...She's still 20 seconds off from the fastest guys in the 1500 meter...chillout...don't feel so threatened by her.

Hmm, maybe she should not be paid to be a professional runner then - not good enough and too many people who are faster who have been paid nothing.

Armstronglivs wrote:

this and this wrote:

men have done more amazing things than Hasan.

Zatopek, 1952 summer Olympics, Wins 5k, 10k and marathon,( his first marathon). Sets Olympic records in all three events,

Also had to run a qualifying heat in the 5k there.

His times for 5k and 10k there were not much faster than what Hasan can run. Does anyone doubt that Hasan could run a 2:23 marathon in a few days?

Zatopek was just a better runner than everyone else then. Just like Spitz and Phelps were better swimmers.

So, ignoring possible doping, Hasan was just that much better than the runners she competed against here.

Note; I believe Zatopek was totally clean, but I have doubts about Hasan...

And what was the doping available to Zatopek in 1952? Must have been super-powerful for a man to run the 5k a bit faster than Obiri does today.

Wasn't Zatopek running on like sand tracks, and wearing boots with nails on the bottom as his spikes? Surely if you put Zatopek on a mondo track with a pair of carbon spikes he would run a ton faster than what he did even with his training and non doping that he had in the 1950s. Obiri running on sand tracks with leather spikes would probably never get close to breaking 15.

LM wrote:

The Russians, definitely not.

None of them was Russian (German and Czech), but never mind.

LM wrote:

My doping process goes something like this:

1) Fast Times = automatically suspicious, but willing to without hold judgement

Add in the below and I basically think of them as doping:

2) Associations with known dirty training groups/partners - doping

3) Highly inconsistent performances or long disappearances without explanation - more or less think of them as doping

4) History of missed tests

5) Originate/train in Russia/China/ NK/Islamic Countries

Something like that. I'd add mid- or late-career performance jumps, and being virtually unbeatable. Hassan is such a case, and your points 1 and 2 fit as well. And add a showing on IAAF's likely doping list from 2016 to seal the deal.

equality today wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

All of these guys insecure over her speed...jeez...She's still 20 seconds off from the fastest guys in the 1500 meter...chillout...don't feel so threatened by her.

Hmm, maybe she should not be paid to be a professional runner then - not good enough and too many people who are faster who have been paid nothing.

And no one is comparing her to men. It's what she's doing to her female competitors that draws attention, and how she compares with what she was like before she began working with Salazar's team.

casual obsever wrote:

LM wrote:

The Russians, definitely not.

None of them was Russian (German and Czech), but never mind.

LM wrote:

My doping process goes something like this:

1) Fast Times = automatically suspicious, but willing to without hold judgement

Add in the below and I basically think of them as doping:

2) Associations with known dirty training groups/partners - doping

3) Highly inconsistent performances or long disappearances without explanation - more or less think of them as doping

4) History of missed tests

5) Originate/train in Russia/China/ NK/Islamic Countries

Something like that. I'd add mid- or late-career performance jumps, and being virtually unbeatable. Hassan is such a case, and your points 1 and 2 fit as well. And add a showing on IAAF's likely doping list from 2016 to seal the deal.

Being virtually unbeatable is the same as #1. If a clean make runner comes along running 12:00/25:00 he will he unbeatable.

That's obviously warranted cause for suspicion, but not enough to roll my eyes at the performance.

Late career improvements all depends. Late into 30s? Yea a bit suspicious. Mid 20s due to clear weight loss? Not super suspicious. Hassan's improvement doesnt trigger it for me.

Talk more about #2, what's Hassans associated with dirty groups prior to Salazar or independent of him (as I've said earlier I'm not convinced about Salazar).

If she has that association that could really change my opinion.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Bruinboy wrote:

GOAT?...Girl On Androgen Treatment?

I'm sure Katelyn Tuohy is faster than you as well. Waaaa Waaaa...I have nothing else going for me in life so I take pot shots at genetically superior (from a running perspective) females... waaa waaaaaa

You got me!

Coevett wrote:

Open your eyes wrote:

She had a breast reduction, lost weight, got serious and started training like a beast. It's that simple, it's called hard work and dedication.

This is why our sport will never be popular. One of the greatest performances we've seen and you jackoffs are picking it apart. She was no where near Salazar when the events he was busted for took place. Like it or not, Salazar is an amazing coach and he did a great job with Sifan.

+1

Similar to Big Mac. He had d--- reduction surgery before 2012. He is clean, but I don't know why people still call him Big Mac. Little Mac would be more appropriate.

What?? What an unfunny, racist, boring weirdo you are.

Armstronglivs wrote:

joanve wrote:

Side note, unreal level of sportsmanship of Shelby Houlihan to shake Sifan's hand at the end of that farce. I would have just walked away. Shelby had a great day but she should have a medal.

Having watched a replay, she was the only one who did; but not so surprising - two NOP runners. The way that Hassan was ignored by the rest of the field as she celebrated was uncannily like what happened with Flojo in Seoul.

Just incorrect. Kipyegon and Chebet both congratulated her when they went back from showing the replay to showing her with the flag. She started a victory lap and everyone ran really fast, so did it make sense to chase her down? She's no Dibaba, she's a popular athlete on the circuit. See Laura Weightman's comments after she set the mile record.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Having watched a replay, she was the only one who did; but not so surprising - two NOP runners. The way that Hassan was ignored by the rest of the field as she celebrated was uncannily like what happened with Flojo in Seoul.

Just incorrect. Kipyegon and Chebet both congratulated her when they went back from showing the replay to showing her with the flag. She started a victory lap and everyone ran really fast, so did it make sense to chase her down? She's no Dibaba, she's a popular athlete on the circuit. See Laura Weightman's comments after she set the mile record.

The only person shown congratulating her was her NOP team mate Houlihan. She sat in the track for several minutes and none of the other athletes went up to her. It was a complete contrast to the way the athletes in the men's 1500 immediately went over to Cheruiyot and warmly congratulated him - even as he still lay on the ground recovering. Most hugged him. And the men had run just as hard as the women.

If Kipyegon later congratulated Hassan she was the exception and quite likely only doing it as a formal gesture at best.

Who had the most doped up performance?

Ayana 10k

Hassan double

Or Dibaba 1500m?

Muir has said that "there is a cloud over the race" after the Salazar bust. Is that a form of congratulation, too?

Who doped the best wrote:

Who had the most doped up performance?

Ayana 10k

Hassan double

Or Dibaba 1500m?

Photo finish

Armstronglivs wrote:

Muir has said that "there is a cloud over the race" after the Salazar bust. Is that a form of congratulation, too?

Lol. I still remember the ladies' 1500 in London 2012 - this one looks worse.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The only person shown congratulating her was her NOP team mate Houlihan.

Shelby Houlihan doesn't run for NOP dipshit.

Not being a troll, but in all honesty, how did her breasts reduce that much? What is she 26? Medically speaking, what's the deal?

casual obsever wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Muir has said that "there is a cloud over the race" after the Salazar bust. Is that a form of congratulation, too?

Lol. I still remember the ladies' 1500 in London 2012 - this one looks worse.

Which race looks worst? Doha or London? The London 1500 was slow until Alptekin exploded on the last lap and smoked everyone (she even best Tomashova who is Russia's most prolific & fastest mid-d doper of the last 15 yrs. Lol). Look at Alptekin's body type - a complete of opposite of Hassan's skinny, wispy thin, frail look. Alptekin was obviously 02-vector doping (ABP-hematological anomalies - either EPO or transfusions) plus steroids and/or HGH. She's built like a sprinter and runs like one.

Four (4) women were busted from that race all for ABP-hematological infractions (the two Turks, one Russian & the Belarusian). What I can't figure out is how they can get four runners from London for ABP violations and none (so far anyway) from a much, much faster race at Doha? It makes you want to believe that the runners are all clean from Doha when not even one gets caught for doping? And even testing is much better now than it was back in 2012. I don't know; 4 busted from London and none busted from Doha. I may have to rethink this whole doping platform with today's 1500 meter competitors - they could be really clean?

walk talk quack duck wrote:

It it looks too good to be true, it is.

Age 21: 3:57

Age 22: 3:56

Age 23: 3:57

Age 24: 3.56

Age 25: 3:57

Age 26: 3.51.

She found the same fountain as Mo!!!!

So men can get up to 8-9 seconds in a 1500, women only 5 seconds? Looks like epo isnt producing equality improvements

but seriously wrote:

Not being a troll, but in all honesty, how did her breasts reduce that much? What is she 26? Medically speaking, what's the deal?

Already answered on page 12. Many women who run competitively have breast reductions, it's not that big of a deal. Everyone knows that Salazar wants the women who run for him thin, and by thin I mean REALLY thin. Look at Hasay and Koko. It was one of the complaints of psycho Goucher after she reaped all the rewards from it. Thin is in at NOP and that's one of the reasons for all the vitamin supplements. Is it healthy? Probably not, but they know what they are getting when they sign up. Do they want to be a world champion or do they want to have a menstrual cycle and children. At NOP it cannot be both. No one ever complains until after their competitive career is over and then they cry and write a book about how they were anorexic and misguided thinking they had to be thin to win. Guess what... YOU DO!

Hassan is clean, she's just full of legal supplements and lean and light as a feather.