I'm Done. The Mezra death brought home how cycincal and damaging this website it to real people

Google posts wrote:

It really doesn’t matter what our opinions are, but if you look at the opinions on the google comments by people not following this, they was no question in their minds that he cheated. The news media had also come to that conclusion. So the information shown to the average person was very conclusive.

Learn to look, clown.

fuzzy photo wrote:

Google posts wrote:

It really doesn’t matter what our opinions are, but if you look at the opinions on the google comments by people not following this, they was no question in their minds that he cheated. The news media had also come to that conclusion. So the information shown to the average person was very conclusive.

Learn to look, clown.

https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Frank-on-a-Bike.jpg

That is all the proof I needed. That pic caption says San Francisco Marathon which proves Meza biked part of the LA Marathon.

adios wrote:

Even today rojo himself dug up an obvios race baiting thread out of the trash. No shame.

I haven't read this thread but have read the first post and want to respond.

The thread I started was actually from a person trying to be racially sensitive. He or she wanted to know if it might offend a minority if in his or her apartment building they wished them Happy Independence Day. Yes, it's possible the thread was started by a troll but it's also possible they were trying to be very sensitive. Perhaps some bigots will be upset by a thread like that or upset by the Betsy Ross shoe controversy but that doesn't mean we shouldn't allow discussion of it.

fuzzy photo wrote:

A fuzzy/grainy photo -- intentionally fuzzy to support MI narrative? That "photo" would never be used as conclusive proof it was Frank Meza -- a judge would not allow it. What happened to you is: You saw what you wanted to see.

Again, while I haven't read this thread except first page and this page, I'll respond the post about the photo. The photo also appeared grainy to me at first glance. Then I got a close up up of it and it's definitely him.

Think of it this way.

What are the odds that a guy is photographed riding a bike on the course near the time and place of suspected cheating occurs and that guy has the same sex as Frank, is roughly the same age, has the same complexion, is wearing bright yellow socks and has shoes that match his shoe colors exactly?

They are astronomical.

Odds that bike rider is male : 1/2

Odds that bike rider is over 60+: 1/5

Odds that person has on bright yellow socks: 1/10 (and i'm being generous)

Odds that person is Hispanic: 1/2 (I'm being generous since it's CA).

Odds that person has on shoes with identical nike shoes with white, blue and red on markings them? 1/100

Multiply those together and you are at 1 in 20,000.

I most definitely think a judge with a brain would allow it. If any of those things aren't the same, it's not a match, yet they all match up perfectly.

Ha ha, stop making sense! It upsets the trolls terribly.

rojo wrote:

I most definitely think a judge with a brain would allow it. If any of those things aren't the same, it's not a match, yet they all match up perfectly.

Rojo. Some advice. Make sure you know a really good attorney in case you need one. Best.

That’s what FM did, get a lawyer to look at MI. He found the evidence compelling. He said he would talk to FM, but I doubt that was what FM wanted to hear.

some advice wrote:

rojo wrote:

I most definitely think a judge with a brain would allow it. If any of those things aren't the same, it's not a match, yet they all match up perfectly.

Rojo. Some advice. Make sure you know a really good attorney in case you need one. Best.

I'm still waiting for somebody to clearly state what law has been broken.

Excellent post.

There was, of course, a mocking video that we could probably have done without. It's not organized harrassment, but, well:

I see. So I’m allowed to ask a racist question but not a questions asking why racist questions are allowed?

Cause of death has been determined:http://mec.lacounty.gov/case-detail/?caseNumber=2019-05011quote]Frogtown -- Elysian Valley wrote:

The location undoubtedly had signifance for Meza as his childhood playground:

The location was under the Riverside Drive Bridge, which includes the LA River Trail bike path. According to LAFD, it was responding to reports of a "possible jumper" (

) and one news item reported that several bikers on the bridge's bike path showed LAFD the location of the body. Unclear whether a jumping was witnessed or assumed; based on the information currently available online, it cannot be ruled out that Meza was running in the river bed as he likely did as a child and succumbed to a medical event. The coroner will determine the cause of death, whether blunt force injury or something else.[/quote]

Bad link in post above, let me try again:

http://mec.lacounty.gov/case-detail/?caseNumber=2019-05011

KudzuRunner wrote:

Excellent post.

There was, of course, a mocking video that we could probably have done without. It's not organized harrassment, but, well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXYZGFw_ZQ4

That's got to be one of the lighter touches to the Frank Meza cheating exposure. It's just the video of him jumping in at the 25K mark set to a song called Frankie. There's a hell of a lot worse than that in the LRC thread on Frank and also in the one on Slowtwitch.

No, that video was really about par for the course. Videos and memes aren't my thing, but whatever popped up seemed about that milquetoast. No one was calling for bodily harm or death to come to Frank. There were memes mocking the idea that he could run a marathon as fast as he claimed, but that's no surprise when the distance between the claims and the overwhelming evidence disproving them had become astronomical.

Go back and read the thread again. Try to find posts that could legitimately be called bullying. There are very, very few, and none of it was organized and nearly all of it got pushed back on.

What kept the thread going was not the memes in any case. They would only show up when things went quiet and there was no news. If it were just memes, the thread would have died months ago. What kept the thread going was

- new evidence coming to light showing Frank had cheated, because there was a lot of evidence from a lot of races

- a lack of action from the RD's despite the massive accumulating evidence

- the repeated denials from Frank's supporters that he had cheated and their demands for more evidence.

All along the way, the pressure kept rising, but Frank wasn't the only target. The goal was to raise pressure on the RDs to do their job. The LAM eventually did, but PHX and LBM still haven't and probably never will. At least one of Frank's friends seems to have recognized the weight of the evidence, but we still have the same people who continue to deny what their eyes tell them.

Because there is absolutely no excuse for any runner to be caught on film re-entering a marathon course a half mile from the finish line two years in a row. None whatsoever. Or for a 2:50 marathoner to be caught on film jogging around off course as the elites run by. There is no imaginable excuse for the evidence except that Frank was blatantly cheating. These weren't just grainy pictures. You could follow the full sequence from distant-blur to Frank in full size. I'd be happy to refer anyone interested to the pages in the original thread where those facts were established.

Was it worth it in the end? Consider the counter-factual. You have the choice between revealing information that will cause a man to commit suicide. If you don't, you will leave a suicidal, decade-long deceiver and cheater in place as a doctor and coach with unknown consequences. Are you absolutely certain that saying nothing is the better option?

You make some good points. Your final argument is an extreme but it could have been handled better and it didn’t have to end this way. CIM did the right thing and LA dragged it’s feet. But this form of public shaming has to change.

"But this form of public shaming has to change."

Nah, it doesn't. Why are leftists so obsessed with controlling others?

I bet your life is a mess...yet here you are, demanding change. Guess what...you'll never be what you want to be because you lack the discipline. And whatever shame you're carrying, but not wanting others to notice, is probably deserved.

some advice wrote:

rojo wrote:

I most definitely think a judge with a brain would allow it. If any of those things aren't the same, it's not a match, yet they all match up perfectly.

Rojo. Some advice. Make sure you know a really good attorney in case you need one. Best.

Cute threat, dude. Completely vacuous, but cute.

Good job!

No way Rojo posted this without assistance. But, truth.