1500m WR is now 20 years old!

Coevett wrote:

Scrotevett wrote:

You’re absolutely correct. So I’m sure you’ll unbiasedly apply the same logic to El G, right?

C'mon Nips, you can do better than this. We've pointed out about a dozen different reasons to suspect El G. All you can do is keep repeating - 'but Coe could have blood doped, Coe could have taken steroids'. And that is only an 'argument' if you accept the premise that 'everybody dopes', which you can't supply any argument for at all either, and to which I've supplied numerous arguments against (for example, examples of other sports such as MMA, the healthy long lives of most of the top 50's and 60's guys who were supposed to be all loading up on crystal meth and dbol).

Dude I haven’t said either of those things. What are you talking about? Can you actually respond to my words?

Coevett wrote:

Scrotevett wrote:

You’re absolutely correct. So I’m sure you’ll unbiasedly apply the same logic to El G, right?

C'mon Nips, you can do better than this. We've pointed out about a dozen different reasons to suspect El G. All you can do is keep repeating - 'but Coe could have blood doped, Coe could have taken steroids'. And that is only an 'argument' if you accept the premise that 'everybody dopes', which you can't supply any argument for at all either, and to which I've supplied numerous arguments against (for example, examples of other sports such as MMA, the healthy long lives of most of the top 50's and 60's guys who were supposed to be all loading up on crystal meth and dbol).

That's not strictly true. Coe could have literally doped and we'd never know.

Pretty much all the accusations people make on this site are very thin and don't constitute evidence by any stretch of the imagination, they'd be laughed out of court. Even 'evidence' surrounding Dibaba for example who is associated with a doping coach is not evidence she actually used anything. In a court of law it's generally innocent until proven guilty, that doesn't wash here. Most athletes in discussion have never tested positive but are not given that luxury. People are assumed dopers without any evidence and Coe could easily be bundled into that basket. It simply depends where your personal threshold is.

So don't act like it's a certainty Coe didn't dope. We literally have no idea, some of us are just honest enough to admit that. You can state your opinion, but you can't state it as a fact. Coe could have blood doped and he could have taken steroids. Unless you are him then you don't know any better than me,

I think I've changed my opinion about you slightly. Slightly.

So now you're accusing me of doubting that Coe doped on the basis of there being no evidence whatsoever that he doped, and my inability to prove beyond doubt that he didn't dope (which you yourself only Coe himself could... to himself).

Jesus, I give up on this board. At least mindweak is back for the entertainment. Now him and Rekrunner can go back and forth full throttle again I don't think you are needed.

I'll just say that I have far more reason to believe you doped than Coe doped.

Scrotevett wrote:

Coevett wrote:

C'mon Nips, you can do better than this. We've pointed out about a dozen different reasons to suspect El G. All you can do is keep repeating - 'but Coe could have blood doped, Coe could have taken steroids'. And that is only an 'argument' if you accept the premise that 'everybody dopes', which you can't supply any argument for at all either, and to which I've supplied numerous arguments against (for example, examples of other sports such as MMA, the healthy long lives of most of the top 50's and 60's guys who were supposed to be all loading up on crystal meth and dbol).

Dude I haven’t said either of those things. What are you talking about? Can you actually respond to my words?

No, he can’t. He’s intellectually incapable of having an honest debate.

I'm encouraging you to take a step back but you have such a limited field of view you simply can't.

You'll happily condemn the 25 names above Nick Willis on the all time 1500m list as dopers without a shred of evidence against half of them. Some of them you may have never even heard of. However you can't see the hypocrisy in stating that Coe is definitely, beyond doubt, clean.

I give up on you. You can't know Coe didn't dope therefore that guy stating he might have used steroids is 100% factual. You can't act like an all seeing eye knowing with certainty that all those men in the top 25 doped but Coe didn't and Cram didn't etc with certainty. It's so rituous and pompous it's unbelievable. You don't know anymore than I do and that's a fact and so suck it up.

You have no reason to think I doped other than you don't like me which is about the same level of reason you can give for most of the others you accuse. In fact at least you have had some actual exposure to me to form an opinion about me unlike all the athletes you condemn.

If you want to talk about character we don't have to do that much digging to unearth Coe's.

Coevett wrote:

So now you're accusing me of doubting that Coe doped on the basis of there being no evidence whatsoever that he doped, and my inability to prove beyond doubt that he didn't dope (which you yourself only Coe himself could... to himself).

There is as much evidence incriminating El G as there is Coe. Both are marred by speculation and suspicion, but none of that establishes guilt.

If you’re logically consistent, then by your own rules you must admit El G is innocent until proven guilty, which would also make him your ‘clean WR holder’. But you don’t believe that to be true.

So, you’re a hypocrite.

spade detector wrote:

Scrotevett wrote:

Dude I haven’t said either of those things. What are you talking about? Can you actually respond to my words?

No, he can’t. He’s intellectually incapable of having an honest debate.

When he gets stuck he just changes the subject or doesn't respond.

The truth is there is obviously no evidence that El G doped. You can disbelieve his performances like I do or question his doping pacemaker (I've not seen evidence they (Kaouch) trained together tbh) but there is no evidence that El G took EPO and injected it into his veins. Other than a positive test or a whistleblower there is simply no evidence. I believe he probably did dope but I accept that is my opinion nothing more.

How Coevett doesn't understand that I'm not sure. Coevett's opinions apparently stretch beyond the confines of his small head and apply to everything and everyone with certainty.

Scrotevett wrote:

Coevett wrote:

C'mon Nips, you can do better than this. We've pointed out about a dozen different reasons to suspect El G. All you can do is keep repeating - 'but Coe could have blood doped, Coe could have taken steroids'. And that is only an 'argument' if you accept the premise that 'everybody dopes', which you can't supply any argument for at all either, and to which I've supplied numerous arguments against (for example, examples of other sports such as MMA, the healthy long lives of most of the top 50's and 60's guys who were supposed to be all loading up on crystal meth and dbol).

Dude I haven’t said either of those things. What are you talking about? Can you actually respond to my words?

Who said I did, Nips?

ex-runner wrote:

spade detector wrote:

No, he can’t. He’s intellectually incapable of having an honest debate.

When he gets stuck he just changes the subject or doesn't respond.

The truth is there is obviously no evidence that El G doped. You can disbelieve his performances like I do or question his doping pacemaker (I've not seen evidence they (Kaouch) trained together tbh) but there is no evidence that El G took EPO and injected it into his veins. Other than a positive test or a whistleblower there is simply no evidence. I believe he probably did dope but I accept that is my opinion nothing more.

How Coevett doesn't understand that I'm not sure. Coevett's opinions apparently stretch beyond the confines of his small head and apply to everything and everyone with certainty.

There is one people who share your views - the insane troll using various handles such as - nips and titties, spade detector, scrovette etc. And I'm still doubtful that it's not you.

As for you - sorry ex-runner, but you're shouting into the wind here. You're not going to convince a single person with your line of reasoning. You ARE saying again that you admit that you don't think Coe doped and that you think El G probably did So our opinions are only a matter of degree apart, and then you keep coming with this rubbish about how I can't prove El G doped and that Coe didn't dope.

Jesus, I'm just completely wasting my time in here with you and your disturbed 'ally'. The only losers are the sport when casual fans come in here and see the level of doping apologism from you and your shadow.

Coevett wrote:

Scrotevett wrote:

Dude I haven’t said either of those things. What are you talking about? Can you actually respond to my words?

Who said I did, Nips?

Nobody? Glad you agree you’re dodging.

Well I think what he’s saying is that his baseless suspicions don’t drive him to pass judgment prematurely. Yours clearly do.

I am none of those people. You are further proving my point that you have no intellectual integrity by stating otherwise.

How can I write out and post paragraphs of text from multiple handles at once, within the same minute? Use your brain for once.

El G doped, in your opinion. Coe and El G have the same level of innocence officially. Remember and understand that. Maybe one day you'll get your head around it.

You still never ran through the all time 25 list and explained why they are all dirty except Willis. I suppose foreign sounding names don't really need further investigation?

I suspect you might be a police officer with this level of believing your opinion IS the truth.

Coevett wrote:

There is one people who share your views - the insane troll using various handles such as - nips and titties, spade detector, scrovette etc. And I'm still doubtful that it's not you.

I use only this one. You use several ones.

Your spelling/grammar mistakes make it clear.

Nips and tatties wrote:

Coevett wrote:

There is one people who share your views - the insane troll using various handles such as - nips and titties, spade detector, scrovette etc. And I'm still doubtful that it's not you.

I use only this one. You use several ones.

Your spelling/grammar mistakes make it clear.

Your liking for filthy handles makes it clear. Somewhat disturbing given that you believe there are children reading.

Coevett wrote:

Nips and tatties wrote:

I use only this one. You use several ones.

Your spelling/grammar mistakes make it clear.

Your liking for filthy handles makes it clear. Somewhat disturbing given that you believe there are children reading.

Hang on, I thought you're a Brit? Nips and tatties is like what Scots call potatoes or something.

Maybe all along you were the fake Brit. Interesting....

Coevett wrote:

Nips and tatties wrote:

I use only this one. You use several ones.

Your spelling/grammar mistakes make it clear.

Your liking for filthy handles makes it clear. Somewhat disturbing given that you believe there are children reading.

Filthy... yes... Turnips and potatoes are filthy to you? I wonder what you do with them...

I am not putting up with bullies.

Go away.

Have/Has RUN, not RAN! you imbecile. All written in jest, of course :)

Coevett wrote:

Jesus, I'm just completely wasting my time in here

You are.

So just leave :)