Asbel Kiprop speaks to BBC: "The truth will come out and it will clear my name." Calls for dopers to be jailed.

In another post m!ndweak identified himself as Chad from Colorado, he's an ultra runner, which explains a lot.

m!ndweak wrote:

or how about this one from 2015

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/nzxq98/running-makes-people-insane-and-this-forum-thread-proves-it

Mate, lighten up a bit, it's why most people come here, if there's no insanity, there's no clicks, no clicks means no income, no income means no LetsRun and no running related stuff that goes with the insanity.

Get out of the basement and smell the fresh air, things will look complete different then.

Just sayin'. wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

or how about this one from 2015

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/nzxq98/running-makes-people-insane-and-this-forum-thread-proves-it

Mate, lighten up a bit, it's why most people come here, if there's no insanity, there's no clicks, no clicks means no income, no income means no LetsRun and no running related stuff that goes with the insanity.

Get out of the basement and smell the fresh air, things will look complete different then.

What do you mean by "no clicks" - "no income?"

Wejo,

I don't think many people would necessarily agree with mindweak's posting style, but it's totally understandable frustration. Does that really come off as a genuine 'complaint' from a concerned party. I'm not sure how many times I've seen certain posts using the language 'moran, idiot, imbicile, stupid' pertaining to these exact topics that seems to be completely ignored.

Are we really using terminology such as 'may have been sabotaged and reserving judgement' for a case where we have both a positive 'A' and 'B' sample, both verified as being properly sealed?.. The condemnation and judgement certain 'western' athletes have received has been for much less. The sheer amount of doping positives, leaks, bribes, corruption we are seeing in track and field has become ridiculous.

Do we really believe what we have is a level playing field. The trolling is ridiculous. Is this really the case with all the Kenyan positives they haven't had a single ABP suspention. How is this possible? The big question is why are tests being pre-scheduled? Pre-warned? Tea money? This isn't something that has recently come to light. It's been mentioned before. Remote training areas where everyone has heads-up of testers. We aren't even touching on the black hole of Ethiopia. Obviously doping isn't a level playing field; nobody that I know that has ever been tested has ever had advanced warning. We look at African dominance and we just don't know. There are too many conincidences; when did ooc testing limit 'western' drug use? When did the world lead lists explode with fast times. Let's not kid ourselves there has always been doping and there always will be doping, but who can take advantage of it the most. Obviously there is incentive to dope, but who has more incentive? The top level athletes of course. Who does the prize money (in large numbers) benefit more? Where is the incentive? I can train my ass off but what can I bring in for prize money in a year? Not enough to make quiting my day job worhwhile, but it would go a hell of a lot farther in certain countries (as long as one avoids the tea). I remember a post on high schoolers doping and the condemnation Sprimtgeezer received. My father trained with three Olympians in the 70's one who was a genuine medal contender and a very well known coach, in his highschool peptides were being handed out like candy on the track team; he ended up quiting the sport. This absolute nievity has to stop. Where are we going to stand up and acknowledge we've got to the point where so many people have become so jaded that every performance is now suspect. TUE's / retroactive TUE's / tea money / transparency will help the dopers? / what is this? How is any of this acceptable. It's all enabling. It's all excuses. This sport is being ruined. I'm not sure how you can sit on the fence.

There are so many variables to performance from a national standpoint. You look at culture, our food being nutrient deficient, opportunity... I look at track history before all this and I see fantastic 'western' mid and long distance athletes, fantastic African runners, Asian runners, etc. I don't see a genetic superiority of dominance until the testing conditions and improvement in drugs became an uneven playing field.

Rant over.

Haha

TUE's

Tea You Eees.

Get it, Tea, hahahahahaaha.

Just sayin' what? wrote:

What do you mean by "no clicks" - "no income?"

If you owned a business would you pay a website to host your ad that hardly anyone visited. There's also the extra income a website generates for itself when someone clicks on the ad.

trollism wrote:

Haha

TUE's

Tea You Eees.

Get it, Tea, hahahahahaaha.

Explains why Kiprop runs well in Beijing.

athletics wrote:

This absolute nievity has to stop. Where are we going to stand up and acknowledge we've got to the point where so many people have become so jaded that every performance is now suspect.

Well, that point was in the 70s (or earlier) - where have you been?

You need to understand that since everyone on the top is doing it, there is only lip service at best. Which is why Canova stands up for Rosa and Aden, Bolt for Gatlin, and the brojos for all suspects as long as possible (most notably Paula/Kiprop/Jager) except for Salazar because of a personal feud. That is also why so many doping facts here get regularly deleted, as the brojos as insiders are also part of the system.

mindweak with his constant rants makes it easy for the mods to delete his anti-doping statements. But they don't shy away from boldly deleting sheer factual remarks, if they are too damning. On the other hand, Canova may insult everyone here as he wishes.

As for your ABP comments: another show and pretend, thanks to these extremely generous thresholds. Recall the heavy EPO users Poistogova and Savinova - the first one never got flagged, the second one got away thanks to the experts' vote. And Kiprop was just ranked as "passport suspicious", not as "likely doping" like Farah/Rupp/Jager. And as we all know, the IAAF does not need to act on "likely doping" - those are all in-house decisions.

The real question there is: how can anyone be so stupid and bold to get caught? Here it of course helps to be a "Westerner": you always know your values. So if you overshot your off score (or EPO concentration), just don't open the door to the tester. Kiprop apparently did not know.

If this gets deleted again, I'll repost it.

casual obsever wrote:

As for your ABP comments: another show and pretend, thanks to these extremely generous thresholds. Recall the heavy EPO users Poistogova and Savinova - the first one never got flagged, the second one got away thanks to the experts' vote. And Kiprop was just ranked as "passport suspicious", not as "likely doping" like Farah/Rupp/Jager. And as we all know, the IAAF does not need to act on "likely doping" - those are all in-house decisions.

+1

I don't think the Poistogova case can be emphasized enough. She "admits" in the ARD-recordings to have used EPO & roids during the summer prep for London. Her ABP, as you alluded to, was never flagged. This for one shows the ridiculous thresholds of the parameters of ABP (based on this, "likely doping" cases must really be egregious to get to that point. Lol).

WADA recommends a lifetime ban which would include flushing the London medal. CAS refuses and instead gives her a 4 yr ban and flushes only results from 2015 onwards. So, when all is said & done, a "self-admitted doper" from a state-sponsored doping program retains her bronze medal from the London Olympics! If this isn't one of biggest jokes by CAS I don't know what is. A true "Barrel of Laughs" which makes it hard to take this sport serious anymore.

thanks for having my back casual...i figured i this thread would have been gutted and my comments deleted for daring to stand up to the brojos.

and for all of you on here calling me mentally sick etc......let me drop this on you basement dwelling 40 yr old virgins

im not a coward, i have been insulted thousands of times on this cesspool we call LR since 03/04, never once has anyone that insulted me been banned or their comments deleted.

i wont lie i hated vent/calculo not just for his annoying "stats" but what pissed me off the most was when anyone disagreed with him he would go on such negative insulting rants. being that he was some worthless cyber bully i stood up to him and defended the people he was being mean to......guess what? it was ME who got deleted then BANNED. for standing up for people against vent/calculos bullsh*t.

i got sh*t back when i said lance was on EPO, i had those comments deleted...guess what he admitted to doping...but before he did i was CRUCIFIED by all his fanboys.

then when the kenyans started coming up HOT, and i kept saying that it was only a matter of time till the lid was off and this african myth was busted....but who had to come on here and INSULT me with no ABSOLUTELY no consequences? renato thats who....

well he insulted and called me a moron, idiot etc etc....then sumgong got popped....he made lies and excuses for that and booom some guy had to come on and help out renato on that...his handle? oh you guessed it rekrunner.

those two harassed and insulted and instigated me with no end, and who was banned? ME....so i emailed the brojos...they let me back on, rekrunner went right back into his bullsh*t and boom i was permanently banned. i was about to say "f*ck it, the brojos seem to have vendetta against al sal but canova and rosa are angels, whatever this sport is pointless"

then next thing i know is kiprop gets busted, and i remember calling it when rosa got arrested.....that kiprop was either going to run slower than ever or get popped...he did both.

so i emailed the brojos again and made my case and wanted back on. they said i couldnt insult canova or rekrunner ever again....obviously im the only one that has to obey this rule. and as soon as i could i posted. 2 days into it threads again where GUTTED, only one handle remained "rekrunner".....nice he was at it again. so i emailed the brojos asking WHY

comments from me, casual and subway all deleted, and wejo didnt know why, just that someone had complained to malmo.

links, stats, websites and opinions that didnt insult anyone...unless you are one of the EPO doesnt work fanboys...all gone all deleted.

and people on here wonder why i went on a rant? really? i have been hassled and harassed, insulted, deleted and BANNED. all because I WONT back down on my stance about EPO. then wejo has the nerve to call me a bully, say im being offensive....so thats why i posted the TRUTH. this place is a cesspool of unrelated running filth and those threads never get deleted.

i am not afraid or intimidated by the brojos, malmo, renato or rekrunner. but there is someone on here that is TERRIFIED of me and has to constantly try to silence me, accuse casual and subway as being me and deleting them.

and yes i did at one point say my name and where i was from....guess what, that was deleted as well.

ps....i wasnt able to spend $32 yesterday at the local coffee shop, i was too busy looking for EPO

"I am"... I said

To no one there

And no one heard at all

Not even the chair

"I am"... I cried

"I am"... said I

And I am lost and I can't

Even say why

casual obsever , bravo .

1.

kiprop must be the most obvious doper going ,

showes you how well a thread like this or with certain posters

can twist it to be the other way .

2.

set up , in that he being caught or otherwise

takes the heat of others and has to take the hit , how game works .

still hct of 45 or etc by many athletes dont explain times i am seeing

like canaova so proudly showed us for sondre moen .

their is a ped that still not being acknowledged and that for now not giving up on .

see it obviously more in sprints , being the speed peptide .

Well the other obvious thing that tells us Kiprop was doping in full view of authorities, 3:26!!! HE RAN 3:26!!!

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Well the other obvious thing that tells us Kiprop was doping in full view of authorities, 3:26!!! HE RAN 3:26!!!

No kidding!...only one of three (3) guys to run sub-3:27! But the EPO deniers say there's nothing to see there. The other 2 guys, EL G & Lagat, probably also ran their time on bread & water as the EPO deniers want us to believe. ?

touche ,

regardless of being monaco ,

had won afew races by quite afew yards even before home stretch .

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Now main point can a normal ABP or hct that not sky high .

explain what see at say dubai marathon or kiprop or other fast times .

2.

well no if natural but assuming with ethiopians it is the sky high hct thru training

without fear of testing is what does the damage then come into race with nice ABP

and have that epo glow for many weeks to follow like with steroid effect or just plain old testosterone.

that can be only explanation for dubai without assuming other peds .

3.

for kenyans the same but need to know that can have a large window of non testing or

bribed tests and can mix it up with micro dosing and shorter periods keeping ABP clean

if even have that at play .

4.

the likes of sondre moen , europeans dont think risk any of above in europe only micro dosing

or asthma tue etc again if no other peds involved which know in his case not so as speed peptide and in kenya for reason.

then have the galen rupps while tested often has other peds at play like undetectable epo , testosterone.

and keep hct higher and constant even in hard training etc and the obvious asthma .

so at very least compliment rupp in getting more performance gains in a tighter framework.

again assuming no other endurance peds which might not of been case for 10k pb like gw50 1516 or quick transfusion or

allowed more freedom to dope for that actual race and period .

5.

the cycling example , a leveler playing field , all tested but again different approach

to start off with high hct and maintain it as high as can in high intensity for 3 weeks

so if have sky backing you can keep it that much higher by any of above means

and then their is the asthma con-job .

does it also deliver more oxygen to muscles , or maybe forget and dont care at this stage .

Usually with EPO users, they're combining it with an androgen of some kind. A popular stack with endurance athletes is EPO and low doses of T or a steroid. HGH is sometimes used also with or without an androgen. This would give the endurance athlete the best of both worlds, i.e. EPO for aerobic capacity improvement & androgens/HGH for strength & recovery. None of the studies with EPO use it in combination with androgens - no telling what kind of synergistic effects would result. So, in the real world of dopers, an EPO positive more likely equals multiple PED usage = PED-fueled performances.

https://youtu.be/o5uNN8fwCQE

The world record for 1500m is just days off turning twenty years old. If that was set by natural talent alone from a pool of clean runners, then with conditioning improvements, training & technique refinements, special carb drinks, lighter & less restrictive clothing, and faster spikes then the record should resemble some of Venti's historical adjustments he accredited to Ryun by now (3:24.5-3:25.5). So obviously the record is dirty, but I'll wait for my friend to explain this one ?

Endurance Sport Doping wrote:

Usually with EPO users, they're combining it with an androgen of some kind. A popular stack with endurance athletes is EPO and low doses of T or a steroid. HGH is sometimes used also with or without an androgen. This would give the endurance athlete the best of both worlds, i.e. EPO for aerobic capacity improvement & androgens/HGH for strength & recovery. None of the studies with EPO use it in combination with androgens - no telling what kind of synergistic effects would result. So, in the real world of dopers, an EPO positive more likely equals multiple PED usage = PED-fueled performances.

Stage racing cyclists used the exact cocktail of HGH/EPO/T and never test positive!

Let's pretend for a moment the anti-doping system actually functions as designed and there's some rational discipline where positives get sanctions. It doesn't work anything like that. But, let's pretend.

An EPO positive from a urine sample would be because they detected EPO metabolites in the urine, nothing else. Once again, anyone getting caught with EPO in a urinalysis is incredibly stupid and unlucky. The urinalysis test is very easy to defeat. Laughably so. And no, they don't do many blood tests.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Once again, anyone getting caught with EPO in a urinalysis is incredibly stupid and unlucky. The urinalysis test is very easy to defeat. Laughably so.

You're right, but just to make sure a $32 bribe is usually added insurance, if I was those two collectors I would be watching my back very carefully from now on.