Is there any clean athlete? Please name one

All the stuff you listed is AFTER AFTER . Up until Lance Williams book, everybody thought they were clean. So what you are saying is cute. Your saying UNTIL I have absolute evidence, they are innocent. thats fine I say no. I use OJ etc to show even when they were found innocent because of whatever they were still found INNOCENT, BUT we all know they were guilty.

THATS THE POINT. YOU are being fooled just like people who believed Lance Armstrong and Marion and all the others who were innocent until Trevor Graham turned in the needle with THG. Its not a false parallel. Its very similar. FAST athlete using drugs beating the test.

Its not slander if they are famous and please sue me. Because then you open yourself up to REAL TESTS not the BS WADA. the org. is a joke. So it will never happen.

So your right its not evidence as you see it, but I think there is alot of circumstantial evidence that says he is totally using PEDs with Bolt.

He runs VERY FAST with consistency = evidence

He beat dopers= MASSIVE evidence

UNREAL improvement=MASSIVE evidence

ALL the test are a joke, designer drugs not testosterone based with not show up in the bio passport and all designer drugs like THG will pass the test. See Vice Sports latest article, SI 1969, SI 1997, Speed Trap numerous articles by Catlin and Yesalis.

HE LOOKS SUPER DIRTY. I think 100% you think NO. OK bye Felicia

Usain Bolt is clean

So you think its plausible to run a 10.36 in Aug of 2013 and then 15-18 MONTHS later drop elite times?? in less than 12 months 9.97 into a headwind??? Calculated to a 9.8 if he had a tailwind.

I figure you will say yes. because you know that his times. I am absolutely sure HE USES 1000%. No doubt.

We will differ, but that is just toooooo incredible for me to see a normal human person do. I have seen and trained alot of people and thats not an outlier, I think people use that incorrectly as to what Gladwell was describing, THATS DRUGS!!! 10.36 to 9.97 12 months

You do realize that it took BEN on steroids 1984-1987 to go from 10.32 to 9.83. He did the same thing in 12 months?!?!?!?!!!!!!

I know you do not like to use one person against another, but I am just pointing out the comparison. I dont have to use it as evidence 1036-9.97 in 12 months, thats with time off .

We definitely view improvement different.

And you trained for how many years trying to improve you 100???

Allyson Felix is clean.

Olympic Truth wrote:

*stipe wrote:

I believe Jared Ward is clean. So there you have it - a 2:12 American marathoner is clean.

Also, I believe Bob Kempainen was clean. His Boston performance was wind aided, but I would bet my life he was clean.

I do not know the Marathon as well. but the fact that you bet your life, is not a good sign. Why would you bet your life on someone else being clean is a totally dirty sport?

Jared is absolutely clean as he is not an elite runner in the world. Same for Bob. And their times are stellar but not 9.58 type not even sub 210, so they are clean.

Well, you see, it is a figure of speech. Betting one's life is sort of like saying I really believe this. But since you are asking, I always say "gun to your head, who do you believe is doping or not?"... Yes, "gun to my head" I believe Ward and Kempainen are not and were not dopers.

*stipe wrote:

Olympic Truth wrote:

I do not know the Marathon as well. but the fact that you bet your life, is not a good sign. Why would you bet your life on someone else being clean is a totally dirty sport?

Jared is absolutely clean as he is not an elite runner in the world. Same for Bob. And their times are stellar but not 9.58 type not even sub 210, so they are clean.

Well, you see, it is a figure of speech. Betting one's life is sort of like saying I really believe this. But since you are asking, I always say "gun to your head, who do you believe is doping or not?"... Yes, "gun to my head" I believe Ward and Kempainen are not and were not dopers.

I already agree I believe both to be clean no doubt.

if you want a clean runner,might i suggest chinese hurdler liu xiang? he was one of a kind,his 100 meter flat pb was only 10.49 which is very slow,for a 110 hurdler.he had a comparitively long torso,and comparitively short legs for his height,and he was able to sprint flat out between the hurdles.also he was technically brilliant.

Stop feeding this new troll "Olympic Truth."

He is obnoxious and clearly knows nothing. He also has listed credentials that have made it clear that he is lying, since no decathlete in the olympics he claims to have been in ever ran both the 1500 and 100m times he is claiming.

If he had any actual evidence, I would hope he would go to wada with it or at least go public with it.

Instead his actual "evidence" is just suspicion of anybody who ever ran "too" fast for him to believe.

Olympic Truth wrote:

Idontreallyknow wrote:

Also, I have a question for you Olympic Truth. As you do seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, what are the best times one could reach without doping or without the thought that they are a doper?

10.1 maybe 10.0 but not consistent.

44 it would have to be high 44 and not consistent. Meaning 10 times a year. opening the season with a 44.5 and dropping to a 44.0 type

How could anyone be so naïve. Just wow.

1. You come across that anyone who beat you must be taking PEDs, even though you were by your own admission slow. What you're saying to any talented young runner is that unless you are prepared to take PEDs, don't bother trying to be elite. Hardly inspiring.

2. depends on the circumstances and the event. Give me some examples with event, current PR, age, training age, physical development etc.

I know a white 16-17yo who ran 10.40 legal and 10.18 windy, without any assistance. He was very well coached. He improved maybe 0.6-0.7 over 100 in one year, which you would consider sus. However, he got his adult strength, started doing proper gym training, started training seriously, and there were reasons why he had such a big drop. And if he's in 10.40 shape, why can't he run close to that every race?

3. a bit, but I don't hold myself out to be more of an expert than I am. There are people who kow a LOT more than me. Hence some of the questions I ask.

4. That's easy. A talented clean runner will beat a short fat guy on PEDs. More realistically, if the clean guy is sufficiently more talented and well enough trained he will beat an inferior runner taking PEDs, depending on the gap. Some people ARE better than others, you know.

Olympic Truth wrote:

I did. And Lance Williams. I did work with him on BALCO, after the fact. But I sent him the paper as well and he called me for info.before he left the paper.

I studied PED use, history, effects on the body, everything from test to GW5150, other Peptides. Catlin's work, visited ULCA's lab, Yesalis work.

Again so you believed Lance all the way up until he admitted. Marion. etc.

I know its speculation, but with some history of users beating the test for decades.

And you ? any knowledge or just the Krunning thing that you knew??

You're saying you know all about GW5150 (for example), but the testers don't or can't do a test for it?

Olympic Truth wrote:

Idontreallyknow wrote:

Also, I have a question for you Olympic Truth. As you do seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, what are the best times one could reach without doping or without the thought that they are a doper?

10.1 maybe 10.0 but not consistent.

44 it would have to be high 44 and not consistent. Meaning 10 times a year. opening the season with a 44.5 and dropping to a 44.0 type

If 10.1 is the limit, then how can 44.0 be the limit? To run 44.0 you need at least 10.15 speed, which you've said is about the limit for a 100 specialist.

Karma Police wrote:

Olympic Truth wrote:

I did. And Lance Williams. I did work with him on BALCO, after the fact. But I sent him the paper as well and he called me for info.before he left the paper.

I studied PED use, history, effects on the body, everything from test to GW5150, other Peptides. Catlin's work, visited ULCA's lab, Yesalis work.

Again so you believed Lance all the way up until he admitted. Marion. etc.

I know its speculation, but with some history of users beating the test for decades.

And you ? any knowledge or just the Krunning thing that you knew??

You're saying you know all about GW5150 (for example), but the testers don't or can't do a test for it?

EVERTHING FROM TESTOSTERONE TO GW Not the test itself. GW is on thelist I was saying I have studied many PEDs

Karma Police wrote:

Olympic Truth wrote:

10.1 maybe 10.0 but not consistent.

44 it would have to be high 44 and not consistent. Meaning 10 times a year. opening the season with a 44.5 and dropping to a 44.0 type

If 10.1 is the limit, then how can 44.0 be the limit? To run 44.0 you need at least 10.15 speed, which you've said is about the limit for a 100 specialist.

And so it fits??? But I dont think you need 10.15 speed. There are plenty guys that dont run 10.1 and run 44 I mean alot

jeff tallon wrote:

if you want a clean runner,might i suggest chinese hurdler liu xiang? he was one of a kind,his 100 meter flat pb was only 10.49 which is very slow,for a 110 hurdler.he had a comparitively long torso,and comparitively short legs for his height,and he was able to sprint flat out between the hurdles.also he was technically brilliant.

Could be! I met him several times. He was training with a friend of mine. technical events tend to eliminate the need to dope up.

sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:

Stop feeding this new troll "Olympic Truth."

He is obnoxious and clearly knows nothing. He also has listed credentials that have made it clear that he is lying, since no decathlete in the olympics he claims to have been in ever ran both the 1500 and 100m times he is claiming.

If he had any actual evidence, I would hope he would go to wada with it or at least go public with it.

Instead his actual "evidence" is just suspicion of anybody who ever ran "too" fast for him to believe.

As you can see by the post.Im not a troll and I have valid points without "actual evidence" There was no evidence for many sprinters until they got caught.

Yes! Good job you understand.

Sorry, can't commit to reading all 13 pages, but why do you waste your time being a fan if you think they are all dirty? Move along to something you can enjoy. Think about how stupid your claim is - every single athlete... ALL of them. You can't fix ignorance.

And for the record, in 2006 Bolt was just 18 or 19 y.o. Young and inexperienced.

1.No I lost to alot of guys that didnt use

2 THG- Tim M. Kelley white the whole BALCO group.

3 what

4. bad example as there are no short fat runners. Of course I know some people are better I ran and won and lost alot. HAVE YOU?

If you are interested. Read Catlin,Yesalis, Speed Trap, and 100s of articles on google scholar.