Georgia Bell: most talented mid distance runner or most obvious doper at the Olympics. Which is it?

In fairness to Keely, she did miss training and a lot of a races. She ran well but just didn’t have it. The winner of the race was a Kenyan who has massively improved this year — and no one says a thing of course. But Bell, and guys like McPhillips get attacked for less, never mind Cooper Lutkenhaus of all people collecting shade.

If anything, the rather manly looking Odira is likely the beneficiary of chemical enhancement.

Fantastic job by Hunter Bell !!

At 3:52.60 and 1:54.90 she is clearly the best ever British middle distance runner.

I wouldn't fixate on age too much. When I got back into athletics in my late 30s 7 early 40s, I had a lot less wear and tear than a lot of guys my age. I wasn't any better than most of them, but I wasn't when I was younger. I think that a lot of an athlete's "age" is wear and tear from training, so if GHB was keeping herself in shape without doing as much damage as a professional regime does, her body could seem or feel younger.

I completely agree. I think the years of Duathlon training helped keep her very fit aerobically with no injuries. So less wear and tear.

The Super shoes make everyone SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER Than Traditional Spikes, So in a Way The Times are Fabricated Times when comparing Them To Legends of The Past (who are almost always thought to have used PED's) Sadly in this Sport anyone who has a Great Improvement at The World Class level will be Suspected of PED's.

We may be at a Point where ANYONE Who breaks a World Record Will be suspected of PED's, There will be lots of Threads on Letsrun, when someone breaks a World Record That That Person Is On PED's, Example If when Sydney Mclaughlin breaks The 47.60 for 400 World Record she will be accused Of PED's Even though her Time if you take away The 1.5 Second Advantage Supershoes gives it will be worth low 48's in Traditional Spikes, And The Current World Record Holder Marita Koch has long been Suspected of Using PED's. Especially after her Teammate said all The East German Track and Field Athletes were told to use PED's

So Basically World Record Holders Are and Will Probably alway be considered, one of 3

1. PED Enhanced

2. PED and Super Shoe Enhanced

3. Super Shoes Enhanced

Note Super Shoes while clearly making Times Noticably Faster, are LEGAL, But They were not available for Legends of The past.

Also, new fast athletes will always be faster than old due to improvements in training, shoes, etc. The most talented athletes of yesteryear weren't physically inferior, so there will always be improvements based on technology.

The only exceptions are the doped 80s times.

Sydney is the most obvious doper. Never competes Diamond League outside the US since going to Kersee. Body doesn't look like undoped woman's body. Resembles the doper Regina Jacob's body. Bell, Kipyegon, Hull doping. Odira 2:11 800, no competitive marks for 4 years then runs 1:58.

A week shy of 37 Lyubov Gurina ran 1:56.53. Her PR was set almost 7 years earlier in 1987 at age 30 1:55.56

I hope Hunter-Bell keeps going through 2028 at least. Seems to me she can go close to 1:55.5 and 3:55 at age 35

The British running in first line at whatever cost.

This is one of their many "micromanaging" feature and "show of weakness and lack of confidence":

FIFY

Sure, the Africans began full scale doping in ‘87 (mainly Keyans at first) then by the 90s it was completely out of control.

The nost obvious doper of the meet was Odira - with Wanyonyi nabbing that honor on the men’s side.

Doped Africans arengenerally comfident though, right Hassan?

If you see Syd in person, it’s rather obvious. Strange muscle density like a juiced bodybuilder who hasn’t hit the final “cut” phase. Never mind the increasingly square and ever so slightly growing jaw.

I don't know about that. She's right up there.

But Kelly Holmes might be ahead still. Their times are similar when you account for track and shoes. Kelly has more silverware.

I'd rate Laura Muir right up there if not ahead of Georgia.

Bell is easily one of the most suspicious athletes out there. Actually she isn't suspicious - she's obvious. Massive late career improvements and now running faster than world champions in previous years. If you think she's clean she would be sub-1:50 doped.

And how fast were you? Unless you were anywhere near national or world class none of your experiences are relevant to this discussion at hand.

Do you think that Kipchoge's decline is not based on age?

Faith has been running at an elite level for more than 10 years. Hunter bell has only been back in the sport for 2 years. That doesn't mean I don't think Faith could be cheating but it's not the same thing. Whereas Hunter bell has surpassed Muir in PBs in just 2 years.

What I noticed for the first time in Tokyo was Sydney's forehead, and two prominent 'lumps' on it.

When you know that HGH can cause the skull to thicken and the forehead and eyebrow ridge to become especially prominent, and that HGH was one of the rumoured drugs Kersee used with JJK & Flo Jo, it does look pretty obvious. HGH is still extremely difficult to test for, hence we rarely ever see any HGH positive tests.

I'd bet money she was on some cycle of HGH & EPO at the very least.