“Why do currently we adhere to a “one strike and you’re out” policy? First, because science shows that numerous performing-enhancing substances benefit their users beyond the length of negative judgements currently issued by administrative organizations. Second, we feel that such an extreme form of cheating is an absolute departure from the spirit of our sport and the intent of our sport’s competitions. iRunFar believes that convicted dopers should not be allowed to return to sporting competitions.”
“Why do currently we adhere to a “one strike and you’re out” policy? First, because science shows that numerous performing-enhancing substances benefit their users beyond the length of negative judgements currently issued by administrative organizations. Second, we feel that such an extreme form of cheating is an absolute departure from the spirit of our sport and the intent of our sport’s competitions. iRunFar believes that convicted dopers should not be allowed to return to sporting competitions.”
Nope. Don't believe her. You don't go on a new acne drug without looking it up if you're a pro. Simple as
Exactly. If you're a professional athlete who has been tested on numerous occasions, how hard is it to just google a drug that you have been prescribed to see if it is banned? It took me about 5 seconds to figure this out. If someone is a sub-elite runner with a full time job, who has never been tested before, and suddenly wins some prize money at a road race and tests positive for a banned acne med, then this would be an understandable mistake for that person to have made. I am not going to go so far as to insist that she was using it as a masking agent, but this was not some over the counter med that she was took; this is a drug that is only available by prescription. It's shocking that a pro wouldn't think to check if a prescribed drug is banned.
I’m a sub-elite runner who’s been tested a grand total of once. I still check everything I take against the WADA list *just* in case. I once declined a doctor’s suggestion to go on pred for pollen allergies because I knew it’s banned 🤷♀️, so that a pro wouldn’t do this is sus to me.
Shouldn’t sage canaday be on one of his CO2 spewing planet killing trips in order to do his little jog/walks instead of defending a convicted doping cheater?
The dudes whose mommies didn’t love them enough, and whose daddies loved them a bit too much is strong on this thread. We get it. Your wife left so your hatred, and anger is strong. She got popped for the actual opposite of a PED, and a 4mo ban shows how insignificant it is. She accepted the ban. Now learn from her, and accept your wife isn’t coming back
Exactly. If you're a professional athlete who has been tested on numerous occasions, how hard is it to just google a drug that you have been prescribed to see if it is banned? It took me about 5 seconds to figure this out. If someone is a sub-elite runner with a full time job, who has never been tested before, and suddenly wins some prize money at a road race and tests positive for a banned acne med, then this would be an understandable mistake for that person to have made. I am not going to go so far as to insist that she was using it as a masking agent, but this was not some over the counter med that she was took; this is a drug that is only available by prescription. It's shocking that a pro wouldn't think to check if a prescribed drug is banned.
I’m a sub-elite runner who’s been tested a grand total of once. I still check everything I take against the WADA list *just* in case. I once declined a doctor’s suggestion to go on pred for pollen allergies because I knew it’s banned 🤷♀️, so that a pro wouldn’t do this is sus to me.
Thanks for the context. I was slower than a sub-elite at my fastest, but did win prize money at a few marathons and half-marathons (maximum $700), so I could see how someone in my position wouldn't have this on their radar, but I guess the actual sub-elites do think about this.
I don't think anyone on this thread is suggesting that Allie's positive spironolactone test is akin to Shelby Houlihan' positive nandrolone test, or a positive EPO test. However, the carelessness on her part seems pretty extreme, and that is what people are questioning.
She needs to get off all social media including YouTube. Public SM is terrible for your mental health. I keep mine private and only interact with people I know in real life and am a tual friends with.
Shouldn’t sage canaday be on one of his CO2 spewing planet killing trips in order to do his little jog/walks instead of defending a convicted doping cheater?
Oh, don't worry. He is. He's gone out too hard in Courmeyer again at TDS. I'm sure everyone who beats him he'll accuse of doping...Thats if he finishes.
Thanks for the context. I was slower than a sub-elite at my fastest, but did win prize money at a few marathons and half-marathons (maximum $700), so I could see how someone in my position wouldn't have this on their radar, but I guess the actual sub-elites do think about this.
I don't think anyone on this thread is suggesting that Allie's positive spironolactone test is akin to Shelby Houlihan' positive nandrolone test, or a positive EPO test. However, the carelessness on her part seems pretty extreme, and that is what people are questioning.
I agree. I do not think she was doping but her story does not withstand basic scrutiny I suspect she has been badly advised.
The dudes whose mommies didn’t love them enough, and whose daddies loved them a bit too much is strong on this thread. We get it. Your wife left so your hatred, and anger is strong. She got popped for the actual opposite of a PED, and a 4mo ban shows how insignificant it is. She accepted the ban. Now learn from her, and accept your wife isn’t coming back
Hi Spencer. Not agreeing/believing your GF is not the same as being a person that lost a wife or having a daddy that didn't love us.
Not sure all the comments against Allie is powered through hatred, I believe it's more likely just common sense.
I ran in a few races that were subject to testing. If they USADA/USATF tested me, I would really question them (though I suppose random drug testing isn't really random is also what that says). Still, I went through the TUE process for a medication I take. So for a *professional runner* to not do the same is pretty mind blowing. I also find it odd that she's been tested 16 times in two years. That's pretty high. She's not winning any national championships or anything, and I mean what does 6th place in the 15k national road race pay anyway? $1,500 or something.
That said, even the worst of the grey area stuff with TUEs (which Spencer hilariously decried right after his SO failed a drug test because she didn't get a TUE--the people he was criticizing in that video were being responsible and doing what Allie now says she should've done. The irony on that one is off the charts) is the worst in the Master's fields. If you want to watch the magic of modern pharmaceuticals, go watch a M55 or W55 race.
I ran in a few races that were subject to testing. If they USADA/USATF tested me, I would really question them (though I suppose random drug testing isn't really random is also what that says). Still, I went through the TUE process for a medication I take. So for a *professional runner* to not do the same is pretty mind blowing.
You getting a TUE as a recreational runner sounds like an exception. I'd bet most/maybe all others earlier in the thread that apparently have taken it or drugs that are banned under WADA but commonly used by the general public have never gotten TUEs. If you test everyone at a large road race, you'd probably get 100+ positives from people not trying to cheat because most hobby joggers just have no idea.
I agree, a pro should know better. Still, it's not mind blowing at all though. People have different personalities. I'd think people that have more geek tendencies (you for example, and me for sure) would be obsessive enough to really study and know what is in the rules and know to be wary of the got-yous that the general public aren't aware of. There's a reason that car forums or bike forums or tech forums, etc. are 90% guys geeking out about all the details of everything. The women in my life don't geek out about stuff in the same way at all, and the younger ones are fairly confident they know the gist of things without getting into the details all the time. Which works out most of the time and is actually an asset most of the time - they certainly waste less time online geeking out about the things I geek out over and are more productive in other ways. I feel like LR regulars are probably 10x more likely than the general public to know without studying the WADA lists that diuretics are banned, while that presumably that didn't ring any alarm bells at all for AllieO when reading about the drug.
For what it's worth, I did a search for just the drug on Bing (my usual search engine), and nothing in the first page of the results mentioned it being banned by WADA, in contrast to some other people's experience searching Google or Bing upthread. I'm not a drug expert and had never heard of this one before. The main thing I got reading the pages linked in the search was that it's a diuretic and a common off-label use for it is for female acne.
0O0O wrote: For what it's worth, I did a search for just the drug on Bing (my usual search engine), and nothing in the first page of the results mentioned it being banned by WADA, in contrast to some other people's experience searching Google or Bing upthread. I'm not a drug expert and had never heard of this one before. The main thing I got reading the pages linked in the search was that it's a diuretic and a common off-label use for it is for female acne.
oh well if it didn't come up on the first page of your web browser, it must be fine to take... just tell that to WADA! I hope you're more rigorous in your career?
WADA literally publish an updated list of banned or restricted substances on their website every year. You open it, you click 'Control' + 'F' and then type in the substance to search the document. It's really f-ing simple.
0O0O wrote: For what it's worth, I did a search for just the drug on Bing (my usual search engine), and nothing in the first page of the results mentioned it being banned by WADA, in contrast to some other people's experience searching Google or Bing upthread. I'm not a drug expert and had never heard of this one before. The main thing I got reading the pages linked in the search was that it's a diuretic and a common off-label use for it is for female acne.
oh well if it didn't come up on the first page of your web browser, it must be fine to take... just tell that to WADA! I hope you're more rigorous in your career?
WADA literally publish an updated list of banned or restricted substances on their website every year. You open it, you click 'Control' + 'F' and then type in the substance to search the document. It's really f-ing simple.
I didn't say it was fine to take. You are setting up a strawman because I literally wrote, "I agree, a pro should know better."