If electric cars are really better, why do you need to ban gasoline cars?

That is his go-to. Inflation under Biden goes from 1.7% to 9.1%. Fat Hurts - "All countries have high inflation." Supply chains problems in the US are severe and far-reaching. Fat Hurts - "All countries are having supply chain problems." Tesla ranks second lowest in reliablity." Fat Hurts - "All car makers have reliability problems." National debt in US is astronomical and really affecting the country. Fat Hurts - "All countries have high national debt"

I know someone else who had the same problem with a Prius and was soured on EVs because of it.

On the other hand, I drove a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid for 11 years and over 200,000 miles. The battery still worked fine when I sold it.

EV batteries have come a very long way since 2006. One innovation that greatly extends battery life is liquid cooling, which your Prius didn't have. Incidentally, the Nissan Leaf doesn't have liquid cooling either, which is why I can't recommend it.

I know there's a load of research being done on shortening the recharge time. When I was in sixth grade in 1963 people from the American Cancer Society came to our class asking for contributions for cancer research telling us a cure was very close at hand. Researching faster recharge times doesn't mean you'll definitely get them even if there is good reason to think so.

And you're making an assumption when you say a twenty minute break on a road trip isn't a big deal. For some it probably isn't. For some of us it is and certainly second or third such breaks become even bigger deals.

hm actors here seem to shift the discussion. still havent heard from any person why there is need to ban gsoline cars if evs are better. Except they want to please their freedom hating self of course.

I'm not so sure about that. If the warranty is 8 years or 100,000 miles, I think most manufacturers will build batteries to last maybe 20-50% more than that. Sure, they COULD make them to last much longer, but will they? Auto manufacturers have been known to cut corners to save a few pennies when that particular part failure could lead to very expensive repairs. I think they'll think that in 10 years that dead battery will be someone else's problem.

Tesla is different because their entire company's reputation was dependent on reliable batteries in the early days so they had to make their batteries bullet-proof.

Because our current use of energy is heating up the planet which will cause a lot of problems. We need to fully shift our energy consumption to renewable sources which will take a long time and cost a lot of money but is imperative to the future of the human race.

What an idiotic argument. "If freedom is so good, why did we have to ban slavery?" Capitalism and tradition, bozo

The government creating an artificial monopoly...what could go wrong?

FSD is no gimmick. It's awesome on the highway. It will take me from on ramp to off ramp and do everything a human driver would do, but better and safer. It adjusts speed and passes slower traffic. It stays perfectly centered in the lane. It follows the correct route when there's a fork in the road. It makes road trips a lot more relaxing.

And it's getting better and better on city streets. It's a lot of fun to be a beta tester and be part of this transformational technology.

I also really like the self-parking feature. It backs me into a parking space and is perfectly centered. No other car can do that the way Tesla does. Other self-parking systems use sonar and rely on the proximity to other cars. They can't detect parking stripes and park between the stripes the way a human would.

I'm glad you like your Mach E, and I'll withhold judgement on which I like better until I've experienced it myself. But there are a lot of people out there who have owned both and like the Tesla better. Everybody has different tastes.

so its not better? thanks for being honest at least. I guess then everyone should be able themselves how much they "value" this problem you describe. So you have shown that banning one option is the action of a dictatorship.

True. But like you said, it can be done if needed. You don't need every parking space to have a charger. It's a problem that will be solved because there is financial incentive to provide charging.

Why would it be an act of dictatorship? If we ban gasoline vehicles, it will be because we voted for politicians who said they would ban gasoline vehicles and were elected in a high enough majority to make that change. It only feels like a dictatorship because you lost the vote.

I never said any of that about inflation, supply chain, and debt. You are making stuff up.

But it is irrefutable that all cars need repairs at some point. Therefore, they all have reliability issues.

But as Consumer Reports has also shown, EVs cost a lot less to maintain than gas cars.

Actually no. I bought a Nissan Vehicle in 2007 and a Toyota in 2013 maybe. The Nissan I put 155,000 miles on it and paid exactly $300 for a wiring harness. That is all I spend for 155,000 miles. That is the total for repairs. The Toyota I have put about 75,000 miles on it. I have spent $300 on repairs (to remove the engine immobolizer). So for 230,000 miles I put on my cars I spent $600 TOTAL on repairs in roughly 16 years. Can you beat that?

It's true that EVs are superior and would replace gas cars without government intervention.

I do think some here have made the point that some automakers need a nudge to get on board faster. I don't share that view.

But it does help to have a date certain, like 2035, when gas cars will stop being sold. That way, both governments and businesses can plan accordingly.

Seriously, you expect me to believe that you oppose electric cars, like all environmental improvements, on environmental grounds? Gas cars generate more than twice as many emissions than a typical electric car from manufacture through recycling of materials at the end of the car's life, according to the Argonne National Laboratory. As more power is generated through green energy and electric cars are manufactured more efficiently, the gap will only grow larger. But if your real point is that electric trains and trams should replace cars, I'm on board with that. As for your claim, it would take nine years to improve on a gas car--and then the next nine to twelve years of the car's use would be all to the good for the electric car--only under the rare circumstance in which you were comparing a gas car getting 32 mpg, which is pretty high, AND you were driving only 3,200 miles per year, ten thousand less than average, and you were replacing it only with a 50 mpg equivalent hybrid Prius. If you drove 13,000 miles per year, the average, the Prius would be superior to the gas car in just ten months in terms of emissions.

Compare the costs and the energy efficiency for electric vs. gas cars now.

I'm going to use 15,000 miles driven per year, because that's the measure they used to compare. The electric cars all got at least 93 electric equivalent miles per gallon, with a max of 136 for the Hyundai Ioniq. Average fuel economy for light duty gas cars is 25.7 mpg (2020). So, the electric cars are four to five times as efficient. Accordingly, average energy costs per year per car were between $500 and $700 for electric cars, vs. $2,042 for gas light duty vehicles at 15,000 miles traveled (25.7 mpg) at $3.50 per gallon. So, you're saving $1300-1500 per year on energy costs. For twenty years life of car, that's up to $30k. Add to that the $330/year that electric cars save on maintenance, according to AAA. Consumer Reports found a total maintenance cost savings of $4600 lifetime for maintenance and repair costs for electric cars. That's $34k savings for electric. That's a good deal even with them being more expensive to buy, and you're saving society a large amount of pollution and health costs.

Your experience is one data point. Consumer Reports considers its survey of thousands of readers in making its proclamation that EVs are cheaper to maintain than gas cars.

Do you expect anyone to believe that? You didn't change tires or oil. You didn't change the timing belt. The fuel pump and alternator were fine the whole time. You never changed the battery. You didn't change the cabin air filter or the a/c resistor. You didn't change the windshield wipers. ... Come on.