Is multiculturalism essentially a failure?

Harambe wrote:

Also, let's not forget that illegal immigrants have been shown to commit less crimes than citizens in multiple studies:

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/51/32340

"A recent report from the Texas Department of Public Safety revealed that 297,000 non-citizens had been “booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and July 31, 2019.” So these are non-citizens who allegedly committed local crimes, not immigration violations."

"Non-citizens constitute only about 7 percent of the U.S. population. Yet the latest data from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics reveals that non-citizens accounted for nearly two-thirds (64 percent) of all federal arrests in 2018."

"Non-citizens accounted for 24 percent of all federal drug arrests, 25 percent of all federal property arrests, and 28 percent of all federal fraud arrests."

"206 criminally charged illegal immigrants nationwide were released from custody due to the denial of ICE detainer requests. The worst offender was Travis County, which accounted for 142 (nearly 70%) of those released and charged with crimes including sexual assault, aggravated assault, domestic violence, and robbery."

Democrat sanctuary cities are not cooperating and recording crimes by illegal immigrants.

"A recent survey of 715 advocates and attorneys from 46 states and the District of Columbia indicated that 78 percent of sexual and domestic violence survivors who are immigrants expressed concerns about contacting the police. Nearly half of all these advocates reported that they worked with immigrants who dropped their civil and criminal cases because they were fearful of going forward."

Illegal immigrants are fearful to report crimes committed by traffickers.

"And for many undocumented victims, taking that step has become exceedingly difficult because of fears that the government will detain and deport them if they press charges, according to law enforcement officials, lawyers and advocates from across the country."

We are in a debate here.

The federal statistics clearly show that illegal immigrants can be part of a drug cartel or part of a gang like MS-13.

Both you and I agree on this. Illegal immigrants commit more crime on the federal level.

The 2nd point is crime on the local, regional, or state level.

You believe that illegals commit fewer crimes at the local level, and that this is a counter-balance to the federal level.

Right off the bat, this doesn't seem to make sense. Why would there be increased crime but then a drastically reduced level of crime?

Your argument hinges entirely on crime at the local and state level.

It makes perfect sense that illegals are afraid to report crimes committed by traffickers or by other illegal immigrants, and the data proves this.

"In fact, over the past 20 years, 37 percent of all illegal aliens released pending trial never showed up for court."

You can't convict an illegal immigrant who never shows up to court. It makes sense that an illegal immigrant will look for ways to avoid getting caught.

This is the liberal fantasy taught in public schools.

This is the natural outcome from the extreme left wing.

facts and reason wrote:

You believe that illegals commit fewer crimes at the local level, and that this is a counter-balance to the federal level.

Right off the bat, this doesn't seem to make sense. Why would there be increased crime but then a drastically reduced level of crime?

Terrible fail at logical inference. Crime rates disparities for different laws for different jurisdictions are nothing like an “increased but then a dramatically reduced level of crime”. That’s elementary stuff.

Lol. NRA tv. That is hilarious.

top news source wants you to buy more guns wrote:

Lol. NRA tv. That is hilarious.

He’s always relied on YouTube videos and anecdotes over robust statistical facts.

breit leit wrote:

Put every country's immigration policy into one of the "only" two simplistic descriptions that you think exist.

You're putting words into my mouth.

I never said only 2 options exist.

I said there are 2 schools of thought. You can give me a 3rd option or a mixture of the first 2.

baa baa wool wrote:

He’s always relied on YouTube videos and anecdotes over robust statistical facts.

You are a Democrat liar, baa baa. I've posted plenty of statistics. Have you read any of the articles?

2600 bro wrote:

My guess is you want to place me in a camp you can summarily dismiss

You don't have to be scared, bro. I'm curious to what position you have if you're not a Democrat.

You're obviously allied with Democrats on the immigration issue.

facts and reason wrote:

We are in a debate here.

The federal statistics clearly show that illegal immigrants can be part of a drug cartel or part of a gang like MS-13.

Both you and I agree on this. Illegal immigrants commit more crime on the federal level.

The 2nd point is crime on the local, regional, or state level.

You believe that illegals commit fewer crimes at the local level, and that this is a counter-balance to the federal level.

Right off the bat, this doesn't seem to make sense. Why would there be increased crime but then a drastically reduced level of crime?

The data shows the immigrants commit less crimes. I'm sorry that doesn't make sense to you. Any analysis of federal arrests needs to account for when and where the feds prosecute crimes. If they operate along the border, you'd expect them to go after more immigrants, for example.

Change in # of immigrants shows no correlation with crime rate:

Your argument of "some immigrants are in MS-13" is a pretty sad talking point, I hope you realize. Just boomer fearmongering.

facts and reason wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

He’s always relied on YouTube videos and anecdotes over robust statistical facts.

You are a Democrat liar, baa baa. I've posted plenty of statistics. Have you read any of the articles?

Yes.

I’ve also seen you, countless times, showing a video of a liberal doing X as an argument for how all liberals are. Really bottom of the barrel stuff.

facts and reason wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

He’s always relied on YouTube videos and anecdotes over robust statistical facts.

You are a Democrat liar, baa baa. I've posted plenty of statistics. Have you read any of the articles?

No, your articles are primarily anecdotal or unrelated. A story about 142 arrests in Texas says nothing about national trends, or even state level. It's just spam.

facts and reason wrote:

We have 2 schools of thought.

(A): Open the borders freely to everyone from everywhere without doing any COVID checks, background checks, or income checks.

(B): Do a selection process where only the brightest and best get accepted. Universities have a selection process and don't let all applicants in.

Which one do you prefer?

We had something close to (A) until 1880s. All you had to prove was that you were not wanted for criminal offense back home and you did not have contagious disease.

And then, the Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. They went on to ban Japanese, Indian and other Asian immigrants but white Europeans got free pass until 1920s. Many white Europeans who immigrated in the 19th century did not have much formal education, and were even illiterate. We welcomed "tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free", as long as they were white Europeans.

Maybe we should have rejected millions of Irish, German and Italian immigrants back then?

facts and reason wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

My guess is you want to place me in a camp you can summarily dismiss

You don't have to be scared, bro. I'm curious to what position you have if you're not a Democrat.

You're obviously allied with Democrats on the immigration issue.

Many republicans are pro-expanding immigration as well. I do not align with the Trump/Sanders types that are hyper isolationists. It's counter to everything we know.

Immigration has increased but crime is way down over the past 30 years.

Enjoy proving the anti-correlation necessary for your theories.

Just to reiterate.

Immigrant population has more than doubled since 1993, but crime has fallen by over 50%.

Strong correlative signals against every argument you have made. Wow - surprise!

Just for your info, ever since the heavier useless immigration began the national debt has risen like never before.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/americas-debt-27-trillion-and-counting/

john rocker wrote:

Just say no to immigration.

Speak English!

The US has no official language for a reason.

Speak whatever you want. After all it's America, the land of the free.

Yup... both parties spend with reckless abandon... what's new?

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Maybe we should have rejected millions of Irish, German and Italian immigrants back then?

So you are in favor of [A]?

Immigration from 100 years ago is not relevant if we can make zoom calls in the Digital Age.

You don't care if countries with higher crime rates, different beliefs, and different cultures arrive without any COVID checks?

facts and reason wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Maybe we should have rejected millions of Irish, German and Italian immigrants back then?

So you are in favor of [A]?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOsjJQjEP-8

Immigration from 100 years ago is not relevant if we can make zoom calls in the Digital Age.

You don't care if countries with higher crime rates, different beliefs, and different cultures arrive without any COVID checks?

Immigrants commit less crime and immigration is not correlated with increased crime in the US.

You are not succeeding.