Are you going for full-on retard here? Immigration has to do with dynamics (both of the individual people involved and the overall numbers). It says nothing about the current state (how many people there are in a given place at a given time).
Two, entirely different concepts.
Are YOU going for full-on retard here?
I never said CA and NYC have a lot of immigration because there are already a lot of people there. The point being made here is that IMMIGRANTS ARE PEOPLE, so in areas where there is a lot of immigration, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE coming into the area. The reason that is important is because of the context of the discussion: urban areas (where there are a lot of people) have stronger economies than rural areas (where there are not a lot of people), due primarily to the fact that there are more people in urban areas than in rural areas and NOT primarily due to the fact that urban areas are typically governed by democrats and rural areas are typically governed by republicans.
Bzzzzz! Wrong answer.
Immigration has to do with rate of change in numbers. It does NOT have to do with absolute numbers nor with population density. As a result, there was absolutely nothing, (zero, nada) in the way of inconsistency with agip's arguments (you know, the ones in which you claimed you "liked how (he was) subtly arguing against (himself)")
So, please, just admit that your claim against agip was INCORRECT and move on so as to stop embarrassing yourself.
President Biden is traveling to Saudi Arabia on July 16th, he will likely demand to MBS more oil be pumped by Saudi Arabia to help the USA economy, If MBS refuses Biden will likely tell troops from the USA to leave Saudi Arabia and also unpeg The Riyal from the Dollar (USD) USA troops are protecting Saudi's Oil and the Riyal being pegged to the Dollar are the 2 Things that strengthens the Saudi Arabia Economy, So Biden's demands will almost certainly be met, if Saudi Arabia wants their oil to be protected (They could try to get Russia and/or China to protect their oil) but if they do that, Biden could unpeg the Riyal which is a problem nobody could help Saudi Arabia with, So Biden will have ALL the leverage when he meets MBS
The Saudis wouldn't even answer Biden's phone calls before. He has no leverage.
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How can one man screw up so much in such a short amount of time? Was Carter worse than Biden? It seems unlikely. Biden has to be the worst President in our history. No wins...none!, failures in every major area, and all this destruction in less than 2 years. We haven't even reached the half way point yet.
Obama was so prophetic when he said "never underestimate Joe's ability to F**k things up".
I never said CA and NYC have a lot of immigration because there are already a lot of people there. The point being made here is that IMMIGRANTS ARE PEOPLE, so in areas where there is a lot of immigration, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE coming into the area. The reason that is important is because of the context of the discussion: urban areas (where there are a lot of people) have stronger economies than rural areas (where there are not a lot of people), due primarily to the fact that there are more people in urban areas than in rural areas and NOT primarily due to the fact that urban areas are typically governed by democrats and rural areas are typically governed by republicans.
Bzzzzz! Wrong answer.
Immigration has to do with rate of change in numbers. It does NOT have to do with absolute numbers nor with population density. As a result, there was absolutely nothing, (zero, nada) in the way of inconsistency with agip's arguments (you know, the ones in which you claimed you "liked how (he was) subtly arguing against (himself)")
So, please, just admit that your claim against agip was INCORRECT and move on so as to stop embarrassing yourself.
Read the context of the discussion you're interjecting yourself in. Maybe then you'll stop embarassing yourself.
More people = more potential for making money (re: potential for a stronger economy). More immigrants = more people. Ergo, more immigrants = more potential for making money.
agip was disagreeing with the former (more people = more potential for making money), then in another post added the latter (success from having more immigrants). It's absolutely consistent, and ironically agip and I both agree on the latter (legal immigrants on average, will have a higher skill set than the average American because that's part of why they are allowed to immigrate into the country, and having a larger population means there is more potential for a stronger/healthier economy) and yet that's the part you choose to have an issue with.
Immigration has to do with rate of change in numbers. It does NOT have to do with absolute numbers nor with population density. As a result, there was absolutely nothing, (zero, nada) in the way of inconsistency with agip's arguments (you know, the ones in which you claimed you "liked how (he was) subtly arguing against (himself)")
So, please, just admit that your claim against agip was INCORRECT and move on so as to stop embarrassing yourself.
Read the context of the discussion you're interjecting yourself in. Maybe then you'll stop embarassing yourself.
More people = more potential for making money (re: potential for a stronger economy). More immigrants = more people. Ergo, more immigrants = more potential for making money.
agip was disagreeing with the former (more people = more potential for making money), then in another post added the latter (success from having more immigrants). It's absolutely consistent, and ironically agip and I both agree on the latter (legal immigrants on average, will have a higher skill set than the average American because that's part of why they are allowed to immigrate into the country, and having a larger population means there is more potential for a stronger/healthier economy) and yet that's the part you choose to have an issue with.
Good DOG, man! - Have you no reasoning ability whatsoever? None?
No, more immigrants does NOT equal more people. More people in "the context of the discussion I definitely am interjecting myself in" refers to the current number of people in a given area and/or the density of said people. "Immigration" in this context refers to the rate of change (or at least one component in a rate of change calculation) in population.
Rate of change != current state.
Please, take logic 101 or perhaps a basic math course. You might find introductory calculus to be helpful.
Read the context of the discussion you're interjecting yourself in. Maybe then you'll stop embarassing yourself.
More people = more potential for making money (re: potential for a stronger economy). More immigrants = more people. Ergo, more immigrants = more potential for making money.
agip was disagreeing with the former (more people = more potential for making money), then in another post added the latter (success from having more immigrants). It's absolutely consistent, and ironically agip and I both agree on the latter (legal immigrants on average, will have a higher skill set than the average American because that's part of why they are allowed to immigrate into the country, and having a larger population means there is more potential for a stronger/healthier economy) and yet that's the part you choose to have an issue with.
Good DOG, man! - Have you no reasoning ability whatsoever? None?
No, more immigrants does NOT equal more people. More people in "the context of the discussion I definitely am interjecting myself in" refers to the current number of people in a given area and/or the density of said people. "Immigration" in this context refers to the rate of change (or at least one component in a rate of change calculation) in population.
Rate of change != current state.
Please, take logic 101 or perhaps a basic math course. You might find introductory calculus to be helpful.
hey real obvi do us all a solid and try to withhold the insults for Oh.
I think he is doing an entirely admirable thing: using this thread to have quiet long form discussions of policy and whatnot.
I'm not entirely on the same page with him so I often don't quite get his points (hey man write shorter!) but I think we should try hard to encourage posters like Oh as a bulwark against the Garys and Adults. And it's just the right thing to do toward a guy trying to have a polite discussion.
I am not hiding from reality. I've studied IQ tests and intelligence tests more than I've studied most other things. Using IQ as a catch all metric for general intelligence has lots of faults. They're mostly administered to check for evidence of learning disorders. They are also greatly affected by environment. Using this testing to justify let's say... the poverty of African Americans... is racist and an example of white supremacy. You literally believe they are, as a whole, less intelligent and thus deserve to be where they are in society. And somehow, some way that I don't understand, you don't realize this makes you a racist. I've talked to a smarter version of you and they at least knew they were racist. I know, I know. "If we can say certain people run fast, how come we can't say certain people are stupid?" Because attacking intelligence is worse in every way. It is a fundamental attack on someone's identity. If you seriously don't understand the difference between saying a man is faster than a woman and saying that white people are smarter than black people, then you might have some sort of learning disorder yourself.
"Making them feel better about their health problem" is the best thing to do. That's what will help them. Making them feel terribly about themselves because of their health problem makes that health problem worse. If you had any sense at all, you would understand that shaming does not work on obesity. It's needless bullying and nothing more. I understand that you think you are being compassionate and helpful. Much in the same way that an overly strict parent thinks they are doing what's best for their child but is actually just messing them up more. I mean you even call yourself the adult in the room. Some sort of disciplinarian fetish maybe? lol
There you go again telling me what I believe without any evidence...
The leading indicator of poverty in America isn't skin color or IQ it's broken homes.
Your whole racist attack is rooted in ignorance.
Calling someone racist because your mischaracterization of their position is racist doesn't make you a good person. It makes you an idiot and a bad person.
Admitting reality isn't "attacking intelligence".
You apparently have no idea what a bell curve is. Men are stronger than women ON AVERAGE. The strongest woman is still stronger than most of the male population.
Most of humanity is in the middle.
Acceptance and encouragement of bad behavior doesn't reduce bad behavior. Only children and people trying to avoid accountability would make such an idiotic claim.
If the "reality" you're "admitting" is the placement of one race of people above another in intelligence, then you have attacked the lesser group's intelligence. There's telling it like it is and then there's obvious racism and that is obviously racism. Maybe you don't believe that, and that's fine by me I guess? I'm not like, mad at you or anything. You believe what you believe. I think it's very clearly wrong. I think that's about how this goes.
He's not trolling he's just literally this stupid.
There are more people on welfare on California than there are people living total in 23 states.
Of the top 10 states with the most people per 100k residents on welfare, 5 are blue states and there are more welfare recipients in the top 3 blue states than in the other 7 states on the list combined.
You don't need a 40 or 50 year mortgage to get a roach infested house in MS, AL, TN. or AR...
should we talk about average incomes in AL vs CA? Wanna?
You're still too stupid to comprehend that California got rich as a republican state and Alabama's growth was stalled by Democrat rule and slavery...
But sure let's talk average income.
Being an idiot you don't understand that the average isn't what the typical person in the state earns.
The median income in California is $107k.
The median income in Alabama is $70k.
If you were really stupid you might say "Wow, look how much better California is!"
Non-imbeciles would take into account crazy things like taxation and cost of living.
Sales tax is California is more than double Alabama's in most places.
State income tax in California is much higher than Alabama. The median income earner in California pays 9.3% income tax and their Alabaman counterpart pays less than 5%.
On average California is 30% more expensive than Alabama.
A 1200 square foot roach infested shack in California will cost you over $600k.
$600k in Alabama will get you a mansion.
That extra $37k you're bragging about doesn't even break you even.
Plus, as an added bonus, if you live in Alabama you are infinitely less likely to be surrounded by @ssholes everywhere you go and WAAAY less likely to step in human sh*t.
Good DOG, man! - Have you no reasoning ability whatsoever? None?
No, more immigrants does NOT equal more people. More people in "the context of the discussion I definitely am interjecting myself in" refers to the current number of people in a given area and/or the density of said people. "Immigration" in this context refers to the rate of change (or at least one component in a rate of change calculation) in population.
Rate of change != current state.
Please, take logic 101 or perhaps a basic math course. You might find introductory calculus to be helpful.
hey real obvi do us all a solid and try to withhold the insults for Oh.
I think he is doing an entirely admirable thing: using this thread to have quiet long form discussions of policy and whatnot.
I'm not entirely on the same page with him so I often don't quite get his points (hey man write shorter!) but I think we should try hard to encourage posters like Oh as a bulwark against the Garys and Adults. And it's just the right thing to do toward a guy trying to have a polite discussion.
Agip - I like what you are trying to do but Real Obv's insults are pretty tame compared to the stuff that Flagpole inflicts upon us.
There you go again telling me what I believe without any evidence...
The leading indicator of poverty in America isn't skin color or IQ it's broken homes.
Your whole racist attack is rooted in ignorance.
Calling someone racist because your mischaracterization of their position is racist doesn't make you a good person. It makes you an idiot and a bad person.
Admitting reality isn't "attacking intelligence".
You apparently have no idea what a bell curve is. Men are stronger than women ON AVERAGE. The strongest woman is still stronger than most of the male population.
Most of humanity is in the middle.
Acceptance and encouragement of bad behavior doesn't reduce bad behavior. Only children and people trying to avoid accountability would make such an idiotic claim.
If the "reality" you're "admitting" is the placement of one race of people above another in intelligence, then you have attacked the lesser group's intelligence. There's telling it like it is and then there's obvious racism and that is obviously racism. Maybe you don't believe that, and that's fine by me I guess? I'm not like, mad at you or anything. You believe what you believe. I think it's very clearly wrong. I think that's about how this goes.
You clearly don't know what the word "racism" means.
By your logic, you can't say that men are stronger than women without being a sexist.
That's obviously idiotic.
It is demonstrably true that men are stronger than women.
Men being stronger than women does not mean men are superior to women. The sexes compliment each other.
The races are the same.
It is pathetically naive to cling to this childish belief that every one is identical and the only differences between races and sexes are social constructs.
Alabama 1 home in Los Angeles = 6 homes in Mobile 1 home in San Jose = 8.5 homes in Mobile 1 home in San Francisco = 10.3 homes in Mobile 1 home in San Diego = 5.8 homes in Mobile
Zestimate® Home Value: $259,900. 2757 N Barksdale Dr, Mobile, AL is a single family home that contains 2,367 sq ft and was built in 954. It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this house is $260,600, which...
Zestimate® Home Value: $1,450,000. 371 Fairview Ave, Arcadia, CA is a single family home that contains 2,383 sq ft and was built in 1960. It contains 3 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this house is $1,455,200, whi...
You're continually skipping past all of the points being made.
Yes, cities are economic engines and rural areas are economic backwaters. That's because there are more people in the cities and less people in the rural areas. That's literally the definition of urban vs. rural.
The economic success of cities is because they are cities with lots of people, not because they are governed by democrats. Similarly, the economic struggles of rural areas is because they are rural areas without a lot of people, not because they are governed by republicans.
Find me examples of areas with similar profiles with the only real exception being politics and then compare that. Until you do so, the best comparisons we have for this conversation are at the state level and focused on %GROWTH because that helps to mitigate the differences between which areas have more people and more natural resources... and when looking at that comparison, it is NOT clear that one party does better than the other (it SLIGHTLY leans towards Republicans, but not sufficiently enough that the majority of analysis says Republicans are better -- instead, the majority of analysis says that the results are MIXED where one party isn't really any better than the other).
I'm not sure we're disagreeing. we're just not really interested in discussing the same thing the other person wants to discuss.
You want some abstract study with a control and the only variable being D or R leadership.
I'm just saying the nation is about to be ruled over by a bunch of people elected by people with views that ah don't quite result in success, historically. That are reactionary and that will hurt the nation's growth centers.
I'm sure you'll agree that the nation has done much better while ruled over by people on the left than people on the right. I don't think we have to have that discussion.
Not to get into this ridiculous conversation, but immigration has always been good. It’s illegal immigration most conservatives are against. 👍👍👍👍👍
The Libs like Agip and Angry Agip (nonequals) don't care about laws so they are fine and dandy with illegal immigration. If it benefits them politically they are just fine with it. Damn the Constitution.
Your idiocy is kind of interesting. There's TONS on this thread to CLEARLY disagree with others on. But you feel the need to ALSO make up conflicts that haven't been demonstrated. Like my views on immigration.
Not to mention, of course, Trumpers-in-Denial constantly throwing out their disgusting, "We're for the law, and we're for law enforcement, and we're for America, and we're for the Constitution, etc. !!!"
I'm not sure we're disagreeing. we're just not really interested in discussing the same thing the other person wants to discuss.
You want some abstract study with a control and the only variable being D or R leadership.
I'm just saying the nation is about to be ruled over by a bunch of people elected by people with views that ah don't quite result in success, historically. That are reactionary and that will hurt the nation's growth centers.
I'm sure you'll agree that the nation has done much better while ruled over by people on the left than people on the right. I don't think we have to have that discussion.
Are you saying that Biden is an outlier? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Biden has done a splendid job indeed!
Highest inflation in more than 40 years 8.6% now. Was about 1.5% with Trump.
First time ever gas has been $5 a gallon. First time ever! Has pretty much doubled under Biden.
Baby formula shortages out the gazoo.
War in Ukraine.
Stock market has gone in the gutter. Just tragic with what has happened to the market. Trump had it at record highs. biden took those record highs and trashed them.
Impending recession.
Border crisis is at all-time highs.
Open season on Supreme court justices.
Inflation is at 8.6%. Biden pushed hard for Build Back Better which would have spent $5 or $6 trillion more. Inflation might be 13% now if that had passed.
Car prices are through the roof.
Is there ANYTHING that Biden and Co. haven't f&cked up???
The Libs like Agip and Angry Agip (nonequals) don't care about laws so they are fine and dandy with illegal immigration. If it benefits them politically they are just fine with it. Damn the Constitution.
Your idiocy is kind of interesting. There's TONS on this thread to CLEARLY disagree with others on. But you feel the need to ALSO make up conflicts that haven't been demonstrated. Like my views on immigration.
Not to mention, of course, Trumpers-in-Denial constantly throwing out their disgusting, "We're for the law, and we're for law enforcement, and we're for America, and we're for the Constitution, etc. !!!"
Maybe you aren't Agip - Idiocy and disgusting - two words I don't think he would use.
Good DOG, man! - Have you no reasoning ability whatsoever? None?
No, more immigrants does NOT equal more people. More people in "the context of the discussion I definitely am interjecting myself in" refers to the current number of people in a given area and/or the density of said people. "Immigration" in this context refers to the rate of change (or at least one component in a rate of change calculation) in population.
Rate of change != current state.
Please, take logic 101 or perhaps a basic math course. You might find introductory calculus to be helpful.
hey real obvi do us all a solid and try to withhold the insults for Oh.
I think he is doing an entirely admirable thing: using this thread to have quiet long form discussions of policy and whatnot.
I'm not entirely on the same page with him so I often don't quite get his points (hey man write shorter!) but I think we should try hard to encourage posters like Oh as a bulwark against the Garys and Adults. And it's just the right thing to do toward a guy trying to have a polite discussion.
