No DQ coming wrote:
You guys need to move on. There's nothing else we can do.
It's over.
Yawn!
No DQ coming wrote:
You guys need to move on. There's nothing else we can do.
It's over.
Yawn!
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
No DQ coming wrote:
You guys need to move on. There's nothing else we can do.
It's over.
Yawn!
What is you end game and what collateral damage are you willing to see to reach this end game?
Hoser, eh wrote:
I disagree with this: I'm fascinated by how he pulled this off. LAM 2019 he has a gun/chip differential of +0:48. Not unusual for a 2:5X marathoner in a crowded field. How does he get his chip to the 5k mat averaging 6:36/mile if he can't run even a few miles at that pace? Can he really duck out of the field almost immediately, get to a parked car, drive to that mat, and jump back in the race?
Since it's point-to-point, I guess a lot of people aren't parking around the start but are getting dropped off instead. So maybe he could pull it off, but it's a tightly congested route for first few miles. I would love to hear how he did this. I'm leaning towards an accomplice that brought the chip to him at the side of the road where he's stretching ahead of the 10k mat.
After that, I guess on a Sunday morning in car-obsessed LA it wouldn't be that difficult. But it still would take some work.
don't praise the unworthy wrote:
between mats>>>>car or bike, that's it. nothing fascinating about cheating and not hard to do...if one has no morals.
Well...then you're not too bright there are ya? Of course he left the course after crossing the starting line and drove or biked to the 5k mat. You get easily curious about the obvious, eh? I'm 100% sure that I'll never be seeing you on Jeopardy, that's a fact.
Have Sports Illustrated and ESPN been notified?
Maybe Frankie has the World Record for the most successful cheating results in a marathon? Alerting Guinness.
anon. wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Like me, Burfoot used his own name. Love it!
The difference is that one is a well known ambassador for running and former Boston champion, the other an anonymous internet troll.
True. And he claims to have broken 3 hours. Look it up, there is no record of him doing it. Liar, liar, liar.
wonderin' out loud wrote:
What is you end game and what collateral damage are you willing to see to reach this end game?
I don't have an end game Frank, what is yours?
"Collateral damage" seems to be bordering on the hysterical, as we always say in these situations, the sooner admissions are made, the sooner it goes away.
What do you think happens after a full, honest admission? Nothing.
Played a lawyer on Netflix wrote:
For that matter, it hasn’t even been proven that he cheated. There is strong suspicion but no proof at all. A handful of Social Running Justice Warriors screaming for punishment on a forum unknown outside of running does not prove guilt. That could only come from an admission from Frank, video evidence of cheating or a guilty verdict in a US court of law after a trial.
We already had these magic tricks. Things are getting big and FM is getting famous (probably not the way he thought he would).
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
I actually am surprised Ghost doesn’t know Burfoot! Because I do. Ghost is a coach, supposedly; does he coach his runners to disrespect other runners? Burfoot is a better runner than Ghost (like I said, jealous), and Burfoot became a good runner by running. To complain Burfoot isn’t treating it like Watergate is crap.
If I was jealous of every runner that was better than me I can assure you it would be longer than a grocery list. The point was giving a PC pass is not what anyone needs, Latino or otherwise. For the record, I spent 13 years coaching and teaching in Latino communities.
You're a good guy. Please don't respond to Jesse Riley, fake name, he doesn't deserve a response from you.
Want to be famous? wrote:
Played a lawyer on Netflix wrote:
For that matter, it hasn’t even been proven that he cheated. There is strong suspicion but no proof at all. A handful of Social Running Justice Warriors screaming for punishment on a forum unknown outside of running does not prove guilt. That could only come from an admission from Frank, video evidence of cheating or a guilty verdict in a US court of law after a trial.
We already had these magic tricks. Things are getting big and FM is getting famous (probably not the way he thought he would).
Yes, it has been proven that he cheated. Are you by chance blind or just outright ignorant?
wonderin' out loud wrote:
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Yawn!
What is you end game and what collateral damage are you willing to see to reach this end game?
I don't know, Frank. How about admit you've cheated then we'll all go away (or not).
I’m just me, sorry, my desperate troll posters!
It seems that Loyola High School is sitting up & taking notice:
Frank Meza, formerly listed and pictured as Assistant Coach/XC on their website
athletics.loyolahs@edu/staff
is no longer there.
(Either he has been suspended pending further investigation or he has resigned.)
HS stepped up? wrote:
Greg Chrisman wrote:
No one cares if he allegedly ran with some kids on a sunday - that angle deserves no further attention.
Did some minor sleuthing. Long beach 2017. Unusual pix (bottom row, leftmost two pix, number 21 and 22 )
Looks like he is intentionally covering/obscuring the number on his bib.
I like the first three, where he's in the chute, medal in hand and still running...Da Man!!!!
LoLyola wrote:
Meza's comments to Burfoot regarding running with "the boys" on Sunday's also basically incriminates himself (and thus, the Loyola program) of violating CIF-SS rules:
QUESTION: Does a meeting on Sunday of a single student with a coach constitute a violation of Bylaw 1410?
ANSWER: Yes, the intent of Bylaw 1410 is to allow no contact with student athletes on Sundays.
https://cifss.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2018-2019-blue-book-final-7-31-18.pdf
Loyola never meets on Sundays. Ever. Four years there and we never had a Sunday practice ever. I never ran on Sundays. Those were our off days.
jesseriley wrote:
I’m just me, sorry, my desperate troll posters!
fun runner, you've got no life and no one respects you. grow up.
Frank runs for fun, too!
Slow as Molasses wrote:
It seems that Loyola High School is sitting up & taking notice:
Frank Meza, formerly listed and pictured as Assistant Coach/XC on their website
athletics.loyolahs@edu/staff
is no longer there.
(Either he has been suspended pending further investigation or he has resigned.)
Interesting. HS runners follow this site. Word gets around, parents told etc... Only a matter of time until the larger media gets a hold of this. The newspapers love to take down doctors in general.
kegboy wrote:
LoLyola wrote:
Meza's comments to Burfoot regarding running with "the boys" on Sunday's also basically incriminates himself (and thus, the Loyola program) of violating CIF-SS rules:
QUESTION: Does a meeting on Sunday of a single student with a coach constitute a violation of Bylaw 1410?
ANSWER: Yes, the intent of Bylaw 1410 is to allow no contact with student athletes on Sundays.
https://cifss.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2018-2019-blue-book-final-7-31-18.pdfLoyola never meets on Sundays. Ever. Four years there and we never had a Sunday practice ever. I never ran on Sundays. Those were our off days.
I can't reiterate this enough. The Loyola program aside from this insanity of Frank Meza is an amazing program. When I spoke to some of my old teammates about this, most of them were in disbelief. No student ever had the slightest thought that FM was cheating in all of his races. The Loyola kids never practiced on Sundays. You could go through years of emails of calendars of practices from Diaz and never find one Sunday meeting. We were honest, obeyed the rules, and worked hard for our success. No overtraining, no extra practices, nothing against the rules.
overwhelming wrote:
Want to be famous? wrote:
We already had these magic tricks. Things are getting big and FM is getting famous (probably not the way he thought he would).
Yes, it has been proven that he cheated. Are you by chance blind or just outright ignorant?
Come on. Obviously I have written my post as an answer to "Played a lawyer ..." because I think the argumentation is very poor. My post contains irony but I think it is pretty clear what I think about FM. Look at the words in parentheses.